what glue does moelester use on his boxes?!?!?!

[Moe Lester 10+ year member]

Sounds good , the only problem I see. With good glue, straight cuts, and proper assembly 99.99% of the time the wood (mdf) breaks before the glued joint seperates or breaks. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

why is that bad? lol

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

I'm also just an old obstinate fart who doesn't like change either. If it ain't broke don't fix it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

No, I agree with you ... and I don't want to consider myself old - yet //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Carpenters glue works just fine. Glue joint is stronger than the wood itself, with proper clamping and quality cuts like you mentioned.

Glue two pieces of solid wood long grain to long grain ... they're not coming apart. End grain is a different story, though.

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

why is that bad? lol

Don't get me wrong. It's not bad, unless your trying to test glue strength. If the wood keeps breaking before the glue does are you really testing the strength of the glue or the wood ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[UndercoverPunk 5,000+ posts]

Don't get me wrong. It's not bad, unless your trying to test glue strength. If the wood keeps breaking before the glue does are you really testing the strength of the glue or the wood ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I'll find a way to do it... or I won't do it at all, I'm not going to waste my time for a simple they're the same. I'm sure they both are fine, I know GG is strong as hell, havn't really tested regular wood glues yet.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

havn't really tested regular wood glues yet.

You should. They don't call it "wood glue" for nothing

 

[Moe Lester 10+ year member]

Don't get me wrong. It's not bad, unless your trying to test glue strength. If the wood keeps breaking before the glue does are you really testing the strength of the glue or the wood ? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

ill leave the strength testing to someone else, ill just sit comfortably knowing my boxes wont blow apart at the joints //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

 

[negativezeroz 5,000+ posts]

Hey Brad do you think I should get some titebond II for my upcoming 3 8's box? Cuz all I have is some wood glue I got at Lowe's and shes about empty

 

[Moe Lester 10+ year member]

Hey Brad do you think I should get some titebond II for my upcoming 3 8's box? Cuz all I have is some wood glue I got at Lowe's and shes about empty

if you are almost out sure, go get you some //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[ramos 5,000+ posts]

ill leave the strength testing to someone else, ill just sit comfortably knowing my boxes wont blow apart at the joints //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

I'm with ya man .....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[TooLowTooGo 10+ year member]

whats wrong with liquid nail:crap:

 

[PowerNaudio 10+ year member]

unless its for a small ported box, i would never use just glue, glue only grabs the mdf board on the surface of the two pieces, mdf will still come apart if strong pressure and vibration is placed on it "large, high power subs". screws grab both pieces of wood and clamps them together and the glue keeps everything sealed up and keeps the screws from loosening up.

that's just how i feel and would not build an enclosure any other way.

oh i use gorilla glue, when it expands improves sealing and forces its way through imperfections and around the screws. a tighter bond.

just my two cents.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

^^^

Ramos said it before. The MDF has a lower breaking point than the glue does...

 

[Moe Lester 10+ year member]

unless its for a small ported box, i would never use just glue, glue only grabs the mdf board on the surface of the two pieces, mdf will still come apart if strong pressure and vibration is placed on it "large, high power subs". screws grab both pieces of wood and clamps them together and the glue keeps everything sealed up and keeps the screws from loosening up.that's just how i feel and would not build an enclosure any other way.

oh i use gorilla glue, when it expands improves sealing and forces its way through imperfections and around the screws. a tighter bond.

just my two cents.

i take it you have never built a box using real wood glue without screws before... I actually use brad nails to hold the box together until the glue sets. You cant see them because they are small, but once the glue is fully cured the box is not coming apart without breaking the MDF. Like you said, the screws clamp the wood. Once the stuff dries, you can remove the screws and the box will be just as strong.

 

[PowerNaudio 10+ year member]

i take it you have never built a box using real wood glue without screws before... I actually use brad nails to hold the box together until the glue sets. You cant see them because they are small, but once the glue is fully cured the box is not coming apart without breaking the MDF. Like you said, the screws clamp the wood. Once the stuff dries, you can remove the screws and the box will be just as strong.

i have built plenty off boxes, have tried plenty of different glues, a box that is held together by glue alone, is no better then a prefab box. just tuned different.

and

no, ones the glue dries and you remove the screws you can brake the box easier then if it still had the screws.

another thing that will play a big role in the strength of the glue is how much area does the glue have to hold on to. so the thicker the wood the more area you have for the glue to grab on to the joints, giving the appearance of a stronger box.

like i said that's just how I build them. if you like making them with just glue that's fine.

do you brace your boxes?, or do you think that's a waist of time as well?

my friend used to have a professionally made box "" at a local shop that was not screwed together but had the small nails in and glue.

he wanted a box that would better compliment the subs, which i built for him, when i was done with the install, we kicked the other box apart, very easily.

edit,

the glue was still holding on to the mdf board but the board broke over the glue. and the nails pulled out. if it had been screwed together it would of taken more punishment.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

a box that is held together by glue alone, is no better then a prefab box. just tuned different.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif I'm sorry, that's just not true...chemistry doesn't lie here.

another thing that will play a big role in the strength of the glue is how much area does the glue have to hold on to. so the thicker the wood the more area you have for the glue to grab on to the joints, giving the appearance of a stronger box.

That's the only part your post that made any sense.