What a...

Its a typical play straight from the left's play book....

They do not have to prove anything as what ever they say is to be taken as fact with out question. Question what they say and provide facts stating other wise and then they resort to name calling, and belittling. (as is VERY apparent ITT) Then the spinning will begin and the "elite" mentality will show. (as it has many times ITT)

 
I'm not arguing that that it's not a part of our debt/deficit/budget. I'm arguing that it's not a significant part of our debt/deficit/budget. Audioholic thinks removing waste should be our #1 priority before eliminating the massive tax cuts the rich have had over the past 30 years which is the largest driver of our enormous debt. I think, while waste is definitely a problem that should be addressed, it is not our biggest problem.
Right now, our biggest problem is the economy and people unemployed. To solve that we need jobs programs like Obama is trying to get passed right now. After that, we need to worry about our huge deficits. To do that, we need to stop giving the richest people in our country (the top 1.5%) a free ride in solving our debt problem. Republicans want to put the burden of ALL the debt, ALL the 14 trillion dollars that we've given the rich over the past 30 years (to zero benefit to our economy, unlike what was promised) on the people who can afford it the least, the middle class and the poor. I, like the Democrats and the majority of the country, want to make the rich pay their fair share once again.

Tell me, what is so bad about what I just said? What is so wrong?

And the education thing is mostly pointed at audioholic, whose argument basically amounts to "you're in college, that means you're wrong".
What a complete fucking dumbass. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 
You have lied about "never" saying 90% tax rates are fair
Thinking something is fair isn't the same thing as thinking it should be done. I think it would be fair is Rush Limbaugh's broadcast station was burnt down in the night, it doesn't mean I'm going to go buy some matches. I already said this, but you ignore the things I say unless you can come up with some petty bullshit about it.

 
Proxy. That question is for you. It's not complicated.

Just give us the percentage you define as "fair" taxation.

Are you you having trouble googling the left-wing talking points for this question?

 
In any case, increasing the tax rate on the top 1.5% will still not even make up the above $30 billion.
Three Good Reasons to Let the High-End Bush Tax Cuts Disappear This Year

Letting the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000 a year (notice, in the progressive tax system we have, their income under $250k will still be taxed like everyone else in the country, it's just their income over $250k that will be taxed more) will save us $690 billion dollars over the next 10 years. In case you're not familiar with the Bush tax cuts, we're talking an increase from 35% to 39.6%. A 4.6% increase results in $690 billion in savings over the next 10 years. And that isn't taking into account the save on the enormous interest we pay.

Here is what the tax rates were before Reagan's cuts, adjusted for inflation. (And we survived good before then)

0% $9,715.89

14% $15,716.88

16% $14,002.31

18% $34,005.61

21% $45,721.83

24% $57,723.80

28% $70,297.31

32% $85,442.66

37% $100,588.02

43% $130,878.72

49% $171,456.84

54% $244,611.77

59% $312,622.98

64% $464,076.53

68% $615,530.07

70%

The dollar amounts is the max that the rate applies to. So, for example, the rate is 0% for income up to $9,715.98. It's 14% for income between $9,715.90 and $15,716.88. There doesn't need to be that many brackets, but I think we should use these as a base.

This is what they are now.

10.0% $17,000

15.0% $69,000

25.0% $139,350

28.0% $212,300

33.0% $379,150

35.0%

Here is an idea of what I want.

0% $10,000

8% $40,000

15% $60,000

20% $80,000

25% $150,000

35% $250,000

45% $650,000

55%

Here is what people of these income levels would pay in income tax.

Income: Before Reagan / Today / Mine

$12,000: $319.78 / $1,200.00 / $160.00

$20,000: $1,645.39 / $2,150.00 / $800.00

$30,000: $3,445.39 / $3,650.00 / $1,600.00

$45,000: $6,475.22 / $5,900.00 / $3,150.00

$60,000: $10,144.62 / $8,150.00 / $5,400.00

$75,000: $14,532.72 / $11,000.00 / $8,400.00

$90,000: $19,560.59 / $14,750.00 / $11,900.00

$120,000: $31,825.31 / $22,250.00 / $19,400.00

$150,000: $45,872.59 / $30,069.50 / $26,900.00

$200,000: $71,799.74 / $44,069.50 / $44,400.00

$260,000: $104,969.16 / $63,254.50 / $66,400.00

$350,000: $159,938.01 / $92,954.50 / $106,900.00

$400,000: $191,938.01 / $109,871.50 / $129,400.00

$600,000: $325,374.95 / $179,871.50 / $219,400.00

$750,000: $430,064.34 / $232,371.50 / $296,900.00

$1,000,000: $605,064.34 / $319,871.50 / $434,400.00

$2,000,000: $1,305,064.34 / $669,871.50 / $984,400.00

$10,000000: $6,905,064.34 / $3,469,871.50 / $5,384,400.00

Notice that today versus before Reagan, poor people pay more, the middle class pays about the same and the rich pay significantly less. And what has this done for us, other than build up a gigantic debt? Nothing.

My tax brackets would significantly decrease deficit and you could remove a lot of exemptions as well, for both the rich and poor/middle class.

Tax bracket information: http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal&adjusted-20110909.pdf

 
I didnt murder anything.
Yes, you did. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you. You called me an 'extremist' because you said, that I said Republicans want to take all the tax burden off of the rich and put it all the the middle class. You said that I said the rich pay no taxes and the middle class pays them all.

Again, that is murdering what I said. I said the Republicans want to give the rich a free ride in SOLVING OUR DEBT PROBLEM. Here, let me show you, because you seem to be unable to find it yourself:

we need to stop giving the richest people in our country (the top 1.5%) a free ride in solving our debt problem.

So again, feel free to apologize and tell me that I'm right about Republicans wanting to put zero burden on the rich to get us out of the debt crisis that has benefited them so much. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Proximity..........

"Here is an idea of what I want.

0% $10,000

8% $40,000

15% $60,000

20% $80,000

25% $150,000

35% $250,000

45% $650,000

55%"

You want to discriminate against people based on their economic class.

The left claims to have the moral high ground yet they advocate a "jim crow" tax code for the rich.

 
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