What A Surprise!

[billabongcr 5,000+ posts]

But I do I agree that those who just buy subs and keep the factory/oem speakers and amp are a bunch of R-tards.

my truck had stock components until last week. dont knock the "work in progress" //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[BIGsherm7272]

well, at least you had the intent of changing them. I just dont like those who think that they are all high and mighty with their 2 xplods in the back with stock speakers.

 

[rtillaree 10+ year member]

People who spend $500-$2000 + on a substage but $100 on a front stage get zero respect form me, as they don't know WTF sound quality is, or what music should sound like.Attention wh0res //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif If anyone wants to know what a system should sound like, go to a live concert.

z6's in the front and pro 50's in the rear, the outside of my car sounds like the inside of most kids cars who think they have a tight system...i honestly cant listen to the system for more than 30 minutes at a time without a break haha, but it still sounds great...

do i get respect? haha

 

[Pyro_By_Nature 5,000+ posts]

I almost dont even want to respond...
I'm 110% sure he excludes SPL competitors from his remark and that its only aimed at r-tards on the street with stock speakers and $2k substages...your inclusion of SPL competitors into his remark was just dumb and ignorant...

You are correct.

I guess I should've gone into detail more for the people who take things word for word and not looking outside of the box?

I didn't even think about competitors when I typed that out.I AM talking about people who just have systems that go boom boom, and nothing else.

150db of bass while playing a rap song does not impress me at all.I'd rather hear a properly balanced system ANY day of the week.In fact, it seems like a decent amount of people on this forum either run stock speakers or the cheapest boner brand components they can find and call it a day.Meanwhile they have so much time and money in the trunk.Now, I'm not talking about most of you, but SOME of the population here.

Overall, I think mids./highs are MORE important than the substage.Maybe that's because I am very picky in the way I want them to sound.I love that "sharp", clean, loud , live sound.I don't like "dull" "laid back", or muddy speakers.I love going to as many concerts as I can afford.I have yet to go to a concert and just hear subs and muddy, muffled mids./highs.Which is what the majority of car stereo set-ups sound like these days, that I have heard.

Now, 150db of bass WITH mids/highs that can keep up, I WILL give you and your system the respect it deserves, for putting an equal amount of effort into each part. Ok, I'm done typing now.Hopefully I didn't word things too poorly.

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

I am pushing having a neglected substage.

CD-2 neos, h701, phl5250's, and a full xxk set for amps (2500,2050,2100), I haven't picked out a midbass yet, probably a 9-10 in the floors (stock hole in subframe ) assloads of deadening, and maybe 1k in the back, tops... Just a 15 ava with a 1500. Even my last setup, which was quite a bit less "overkill" in the upper octaves was usually much closer to full range loud vs most car audio setups. I've always preferred strong treble and midbass to subbass. I'd always level match, but for some reason I can't ever justify getting too much subbass.

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

People who spend $500-$2000 + on a substage but $100 on a front stage get zero respect form me, as they don't know WTF sound quality is, or what music should sound like.Attention wh0res //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif If anyone wants to know what a system should sound like, go to a live concert.

Yeah because it takes $500 to get a good sounding frontstage. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

$150 amp and $200 componet set and some time and you can have a decent passtive frontstage.

$300 Sub and $300 amp is about as cheap as a good sub and decently powerful amp to drive that sub is going to get and have the output capeability to keep up with that $200 componet set.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Yeah because it takes $500 to get a good sounding frontstage. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
$150 amp and $200 componet set and some time and you can have a decent passtive frontstage.

$300 Sub and $300 amp is about as cheap as a good sub and decently powerful amp to drive that sub is going to get and have the output capeability to keep up with that $200 componet set.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/word.gif.64b12e39f936af3b4fff38a1c0bd0244.gif I agree with those that say the frontstage is more important. It's an ironic fact that you can end up spending more on your sub system.

Not only what CB said, but also the time / money for the box AND your amp kit AND upgrades in your electrical system. I would not think that many people have to run out and get an HO alternator to meet the power needs of the amp running their components.

 

[zachzchw 5,000+ posts]

So you came across a person with a nice stereo?

Is that it, or am I missing something that makes this thread worth reading?

 

[JohnBlayz142 10+ year member]

Another thing to keep in mind is that most of us here consider ourselves 'experts' or at least 'enthusiasts' regarding car audio.

Telling me you give people no respect who don't know any better or have no desire for a quality oriented system is ridiculous.

When I was 16 about 5 years ago I liked bass. I knew what loud, clear speakers sounded like, but it was loud bass I wanted because it was a new thing to me and made me happy. Shortly after installing the sub/amp, I added speakers and upgraded the mids/highs in the car because I realized I needed them. There was that period of time though with a 15 slamming and stock speakers 'keeping up' with that before I upgraded.

Just because someone has bass and shitty speakers doesn't mean they should lose somebody's respect....that just sounds a bit elitist and rude, frankly. I look for opportunities to educate people and help them out with choosing system components...it's not hard to believe that the younger crowd is more focused on bass than a lot of us who have had several systems.

/rant and not trying to come across as a dick. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

Yeah because it takes $500 to get a good sounding frontstage. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
$150 amp and $200 componet set and some time and you can have a decent passtive frontstage.

$300 Sub and $300 amp is about as cheap as a good sub and decently powerful amp to drive that sub is going to get and have the output capeability to keep up with that $200 componet set.

I'd say keeping up's a pretty relative term in this case. Most 8's can keep up with just about any 2 way passive setup, unless by keeping up you mean 15db's louder for rap music, in which case, no they can't. In terms of just filling out your lower octave, you don't need $600 dollars in subbass. Especially since most of a subs response is enclosure dependent, most mids are simply placed IB,so the driver ends up beign the difference more often than not in a car sealed mids in car are too hard to do. Humans don't hear subbass distortion until near 5%, at midrange frequencies that drops to less than .5% Level matching and a proper sub enclosure will make just about any sub match up to a much more expensives set of components and still sound fine.

 

[regal8r 5,000+ posts]

You are correct.
I guess I should've gone into detail more for the people who take things word for word and not looking outside of the box?

I didn't even think about competitors when I typed that out.I AM talking about people who just have systems that go boom boom, and nothing else.

150db of bass while playing a rap song does not impress me at all.I'd rather hear a properly balanced system ANY day of the week.In fact, it seems like a decent amount of people on this forum either run stock speakers or the cheapest boner brand components they can find and call it a day.Meanwhile they have so much time and money in the trunk.Now, I'm not talking about most of you, but SOME of the population here.

Overall, I think mids./highs are MORE important than the substage.Maybe that's because I am very picky in the way I want them to sound.I love that "sharp", clean, loud , live sound.I don't like "dull" "laid back", or muddy speakers.I love going to as many concerts as I can afford.I have yet to go to a concert and just hear subs and muddy, muffled mids./highs.Which is what the majority of car stereo set-ups sound like these days, that I have heard.

Now, 150db of bass WITH mids/highs that can keep up, I WILL give you and your system the respect it deserves, for putting an equal amount of effort into each part. Ok, I'm done typing now.Hopefully I didn't word things too poorly.

what kind of mids/highs could even keep up with a 150db substage?

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

I'd say keeping up's a pretty relative term in this case. Most 8's can keep up with just about any 2 way passive setup, unless by keeping up you mean 15db's louder for rap music, in which case, no they can't. In terms of just filling out your lower octave, you don't need $600 dollars in subbass. Especially since most of a subs response is enclosure dependent, most mids are simply placed IB,so the driver ends up beign the difference more often than not in a car sealed mids in car are too hard to do. Humans don't hear subbass distortion until near 5%, at midrange frequencies that drops to less than .5% Level matching and a proper sub enclosure will make just about any sub match up to a much more expensives set of components and still sound fine.

If you want a flatter responce...sure. But in every genre from Rap to Jazz to Rock to Reggae you want a bass/midbass heavy system. It just sounds better to the ears. You want the kick drum pumping in your chest and you want to experence the lowest notes on the bass guitar, not just hear them. Most people will find that their ears do not enjoy the sound of a perfectly flat responce. Most will want a low end heavy system with a dip just above most volcals and then a peak right near the tippy top. This is what sounds most realistic to most. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

If you have a perfectly flat responce, by the time you are feeling the drums and experenceing the bass guitar your ears are bleeding from the shrill vocals and high notes. Our ears are far more sensetive to the vocal bandwith than to the bass and midbass frequincies hence the greater output desire to have a "balenced" system. When you go to a concert they have a few lead amplifiers and a few 100Hz + PA speakers to set the sound stage....then they have 4, 5, 8 5'x5' PA subwoofers. They spent a lot more money on the subwoofers than they did on the 100Hz+ and they are looking for shear quality over a wide area. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

IMO a the cheapest subwoofer you would want, even for a pure SQ system, when talking high end install would be something like a 12" high end woofer like an IDmax with a healthy 1000w in a low tuned ported enclosure.

My Mag 15" sealed with 1000w was GREAT for rock, reggae, Jazz, and even when I wanted to do some moderate ground pounding.

 

[mikey060 10+ year member]

what kind of mids/highs could even keep up with a 150db substage?

dd comes to mind for mids. horns for the highs maybe? i dunno

anyways, i rock da stockers lol.... they sounds decent to me, i can hear the music. Of course i could go buy some components, but that costs money, money i dont have. So stock speakers it is:veryhapp: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

You never know what you will run into when it comes to car audio. Once a month I have to attend a important function. The third Saturday of every month. We have a nice dinner before we all get started. Anyway, when we were eating someone pulls up just pounding away, and I'm thinking its some young kid who's system sounds like a crap. Well, it turns out, it was one of the board members who happpens to be a friend of mine. I about fell over. Willie has a older camaro with 2 12's . I only got to hear it breifly, but other than needing a dynamat doctor, it sounded pretty good. (not as good as mine lol) What a shock to me. I had no ideal he was into car audio. Seems like I run more into people who have 2 12's and thats all you can hear is bass. I enjoy the complete package where evething jells togeather. Willie may be along those same lines. Once again proper tweeking is the key.

you mean other people have systems too!!? i did not know that.

 

[NoviceGuru]

well, at least you had the intent of changing them. I just dont like those who think that they are all high and mighty with their 2 xplods in the back with stock speakers.

acually that would be well blended crap. xplod is about at factory standards. not to mention xplods aren;t really a 2k purchase