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[Proximity 10+ year member]

And, if you had read it all, you would have realised that the article had essentially stated that his policies were unsustainable.
Although Centrally Administered Economies may appear to be efficient and effective initially their errors and inefficiencies accumulate and eventually result in stagnation if not collapse. Often the apparent successes of such economies are just illusions. Outsiders who do not know how such economies really work are often fooled by these illusions.

There is no doubt that he went too far to the left and it wasn't sustainable, but it shows there can be success.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

And, if you had read it all, you would have realised that the article had essentially stated that his policies were unsustainable.
Although Centrally Administered Economies may appear to be efficient and effective initially their errors and inefficiencies accumulate and eventually result in stagnation if not collapse. Often the apparent successes of such economies are just illusions. Outsiders who do not know how such economies really work are often fooled by these illusions.

Thats pretty funny. /pwn by his own link.

Even Castro admits central planning doesnt work. Cuba has a shortage of sugar. How the hell is that even possible?

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

There is no doubt that he went too far to the left and it wasn't sustainable, but it shows there can be success.

If its not sustainable, how is that a success?

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Capitalism is either an all or nothing idea. Its either a free market or it isnt. Free is an exreme term like always or never. Not like sometimes or usually. If a market is regulated at all, it isnt free. If there was a plantation owner who had a slave and told him "You can do as you like, and go as you like, but you are required to be in your house from 10pm to 8am every day", would that slave be free? No. He is mostly free, but he isnt free.
You are saying that government should regulate, redistribute, etc. When a coutry sets its economy around capitalism, but then starts fucking with it, you get America. Its shown that the more free (economically, politically, socially) a culture/economy is, the more prosperous it is. Socialism can work. The government just stimulates production. Its a zero-sum game. There is nothing to be gained. It can work in that aspect. But if there is a free market, each person does what is best for themself, and because of that, they make themselves rich. Look at Hong Kong. In the last 60 years it went from a small city to one of the most prosperous and economically acitive cities in the world. Why? Because while they are not a true free market, they are the closest thing this planet has right now, and for the past couple decades.

Look at this chart of economic freedom. Maybe its just me, but I see a coorelation between the quality of living/per capita GDP and rating given.

There are varying degrees of capitalism just the same as there are varying degrees of socialism.

You seem to think I'm anti-capitalism, I'm not. I'm a huge proponent of capitalism, but it can't just run free or the wealth gap between the haves and the have nots will grow too huge. In the same way that our different branches of government needs checks, capitalism also needs checks. The one that applies those checks is government.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

If its not sustainable, how is that a success?

He did bring Germany out of a deep depression in an enormously short period of time, yes? His government just took too much control of the economy, which is doomed to fail. The key ingredient was the pubics works programs.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

There are varying degrees of capitalism just the same as there are varying degrees of socialism.
You seem to think I'm anti-capitalism, I'm not. I'm a huge proponent of capitalism, but it can't just run free or the wealth gap between the haves and the have nots will grow too huge. In the same way that our different branches of government needs checks, capitalism also needs checks. The one that applies those checks is government.

You say youre into capitalism, but then say the government should take from one group and give to another. Thats like saying you believe in Christianity, but dont believe that Jesus is your savior.

He did bring Germany out of a deep depression in an enormously short period of time, yes? His government just took too much control of the economy, which is doomed to fail. The key ingredient was the pubics works programs.

I dont even need to say anything for this. Just see the quotes below.

Although Centrally Administered Economies may appear to be efficient and effective initially their errors and inefficiencies accumulate and eventually result in stagnation if not collapse. Often the apparent successes of such economies are just illusions. Outsiders who do not know how such economies really work are often fooled by these illusions.

There is no doubt that he went too far to the left and it wasn't sustainable, but it shows there can be success.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

You say youre into capitalism, but then say the government should take from one group and give to another. Thats like saying you believe in Christianity, but dont believe that Jesus is your savior.

You realize capitalist aspects and socialist aspects can coexist, right? That is what we have now. The fundamentals of our economy are based on capitalism, but there is some government involvement. Free market principles drive growth, but government is there to insure freedoms of the average person against exploitation.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

You realize capitalist aspects and socialist aspects can coexist, right? That is what we have now. The fundamentals of our economy are based on capitalism, but there is some government involvement. Free market principles drive growth, but government is there to insure freedoms of the average person against exploitation.

LOL authoritarian government insures freedom....lmao! Government does not exploit? Must only exploit when a republican is in office huh?

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

LOL authoritarian government insures freedom....lmao! Government does not exploit? Must only exploit when a republican is in office huh?

Your inability to grasp even the most simplest of concepts is amazing.

 

[whitedragon551 5,000+ posts]

You realize capitalist aspects and socialist aspects can coexist, right? That is what we have now. The fundamentals of our economy are based on capitalism, but there is some government involvement. Free market principles drive growth, but government is there to insure freedoms of the average person against exploitation.

Yeah ok. Thats why Walmarts busy running honest people out of town providing their cheap Chinese products that further increase demand for cheaper Chinese products.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Your inability to grasp even the most simplest of concepts is amazing.

Your inability to live in reality, inability to even partially explain any of your concepts is laughable clown boy.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Your inability to live in reality, inability to even partially explain any of your concepts is laughable clown boy.

I wonder if he dresses up like crazy Joe Devola from Seinfeld?

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

inability to even partially explain any of your concepts

Says the guy who doles out such elaborated descriptions such as

Nice uneducated artwork presented by proxy and the misguided left...

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Says the guy who doles out such elaborated descriptions such as

And I stand by what I said, your ilk only debates when in total control and when asked simple questions they do not answer. Prime example is when the liberal media tried to make Christine O'Donnell look stupid over "separation of church and state" in the Constitution and made Coons look like a ******* genius when in fact the audience was WRONG and the media puppets were wrong. A letter written after the Constitution and an interpretation 1947 from a former KKK member supreme court justice appointed by the man in your picture is not written in the Constitution.

Now you seem to act like you are some how superior to me for what reason I couldn't care less, but as far as being actual and factual you actually know very little of anything (I am being kind to you saying that). Your economics are a joke, your taxation without representation is Marxist and your understanding of what a republic is beyond pathetic.

Hmmm wonder who said this?

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters"

I guess it really doesn't matter though cause you would bastardize it or ignore it anyway.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Duel my quotes.
Hitler's Leftist Economic Policies

Just read the whole thing.

In fact, Hitler was even more to the left than I thought. He is a little to anti-capitalist for me, but he IS a testament to the fact that liberal economic policies work.

Here's a quote from that link: "Summary: Below is a short economic analysis of German Economy under the Nazis. It is apparent they ran a centralized collectivist economy just like the Soviet Union. It was a political party that acted much in the same way the American Left does in regard to unemployment and trying to use the government to decrease it. It notes that the Nazis used public works to a large extent, which is exceedingly leftist, and put people to work for the State.

 

The Nazis started enacting other leftist ploys like price freezes and starting expanding the role of the government and destroying any freedom left in the Market. Private Property owners were dictated to by the State. Clearly Nazis were opponents of capitalism through and through. "

So you and Hitler are buddies?

Economically, absolutely. Socially, not so much. Ralph Nader is a much better approximation of where I'm at. (At least going by that last graph)

Ah, so you are absolutely aligned with Hitler fiscally. Oh wait, once you actually looked Hitler up, you decided he was "a little to anti-capitalist". Being an "opponent of capitalism through and through" is a "little too anti-capitalist" for you. But you think your views are just left of center.

I'm a huge proponent of capitalism

Yes I can tell you are a huge "proponent of capitalism", someone who is 100% anti-capitalism is just slightly too liberal for you.