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[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

My belief that all conservatives are bad is based on my ideology. My ideology comes from observing reality and determining, logically, what is good for people and what is bad for people.

Attempting to justify your paranoia changes nothing. It merely highlights your inability to see your own flaws.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

What I really want to know, audioholic, is how you came to be so brainwashed to worry more about the person making $1 million dollars a year than the person $20k a year.

What I really want to know, Prox, is how you became so brainwashed to consider a person's income as defining if its fair to take their EARNED income and give it to someone who did NOT EARN IT. All you focus on is "He has money, he can afford to give it to us!!!"... and then you claim to be the champion of what's fair here. Moron.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You've yet to give me one characterization of a conservative who isn't a sheep or doesn't care about anyone else.

Correct. Know why? Because every time you claim there is no such thing as a conservative who cares about other people, who is smart, who is not a greedy sociopath... it only serves to highlight what a looney tune you really are.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I get high and mighty about helping EVERYONE, not just "the poor". Government helps everyone but the super rich. If you don't realize this, you're too stupid or blindfolded to see it. Plus, like I said, I have practically no disposable income, especially compared to the rich people who you think I'm jealous of.

Actually, government helps the 'super rich' too. But thats beside my point, which is you claim you want the top 2% to cough up their money 'for the poor', but the way you define the poor (the other 98%) clearly makes you a recipient of that redistribution of wealth. They have money, you want it, period. Like you say here, you think you have no disposable income. You deserve more, right pal?

As for your lack of funds, you have enough to pay for your entertainment (computer, broadband, probably an xbox, nice flat screen tv maybe, car, car audio???, etc) and yet the best you can come up with to help these others you are so worried about is 'uh... I give the bum on the corner change through my car window sometimes'... its pathetic. You, are pathetic.

I also notice you dodged the point about your leisure time. How much time do you donate to helping the needy every month? Not one fucking minute, that's how long. So take your hypocritical ass somewhere where they might believe your double standards and self-serving 'charity'.

Happy New Year.

 

[HCCA 10+ year member]

Actually, government helps the 'super rich' too. But thats beside my point, which is you claim you want the top 2% to cough up their money 'for the poor', but the way you define the poor (the other 98%) clearly makes you a recipient of that redistribution of wealth. They have money, you want it, period. Like you say here, you think you have no disposable income. You deserve more, right pal?
As for your lack of funds, you have enough to pay for your entertainment (computer, broadband, probably an xbox, nice flat screen tv maybe, car, car audio???, etc) and yet the best you can come up with to help these others you are so worried about is 'uh... I give the bum on the corner change through my car window sometimes'... its pathetic. You, are pathetic.

I also notice you dodged the point about your leisure time. How much time do you donate to helping the needy every month? Not one fucking minute, that's how long. So take your hypocritical ass somewhere where they might believe your double standards and self-serving 'charity'.

Happy New Year.

Basically, to follow his logic to it's logical conclusion, he needs to sell his car audio, computer, donate his disposable income, and donate his free time to help the poor until there are no poor. He expects no less of the "rich"! This is accurate, and correct. If not, then he is, by definition, a hypocrite.

Don't worry, Proximity, you will grow up one day. Audiolife & I have a combined 62 years of experience on you. It's expected that you will be ignorant of certain things, until you have learned for yourself that the crap you're fed by the liberal media(New York Times, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, et al), is all a hoax to control you. I don't expect you to get it, yet. Maybe after you hit 40, you might learn. AFTER, you stop listening to those liars. A little life eperience goes a long way. No, you don't have much life experience, yet....despite what you might think....sorry.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

then you turn around and do the same, justifying it by claiming my post wasnt worth responding to.

LOL, when have I ever done that? That's a page from your gameplan champ.

Attempting to justify your paranoia changes nothing. It merely highlights your inability to see your own flaws.

It's not an attempt, but oh wait, I forgot, you're psychic, right? Can you PLEASE tell me what color I'm think of right now, I really want to know!

What I really want to know, Prox, is how you became so brainwashed to consider a person's income as defining if its fair to take their EARNED income and give it to someone who did NOT EARN IT. All you focus on is "He has money, he can afford to give it to us!!!"... and then you claim to be the champion of what's fair here. Moron.

I would argue 75% of the super rich didn't "earn" more of their income at all. (Executive Pay - TIME "The top five American CEOs earned a combined $322 million in income last year." I'm sure they really worked hard for all that money, much harder than all the middle class workers, they must have had to work, what, 10 hours a week?) Earning hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean you need hundreds of millions of dollars to live comfortably or even lavishly. Most people in this country barely make $1 million in their lifetime, let alone hundreds of millions.

Again, you're more worried about the millionaires and billionaires who have zero financial worries than the guy making $40k a year just hoping his kids can afford to go to a decent college. You can try to justify your devotion, but it doesn't change the obvious characterization. There is no alternative.

Correct. Know why? Because every time you claim there is no such thing as a conservative who cares about other people, who is smart, who is not a greedy sociopath... it only serves to highlight what a looney tune you really are.

No, I'm very sure it's because you simply can't. And besides, according to you, I'll never admit that I was wrong and I'll just keep repeating my argument, so you can have you cake, and eat it too. Exemplify some conservatives who aren't sheep or who don't care about anyone else so to prove me wrong, but then I'll keep making myself look loony anyway!

Actually, government helps the 'super rich' too.

Government's basic functions do (defense, roads, police/fire, etc) do, but none of the socialism aspects of the American government do. But you knew this, this is you just trying to be petty again.

you define the poor (the other 98%)

I never said that all of the 98% of people were "poor people". Keep making up bullshit though, it makes you look smart.

Like you say here, you think you have no disposable income.

No, again, you're making **** up. I never said I have no disposable income.

You deserve more, right pal?

No, I don't think anyone deserves more from the government as it stands. I just don't want the government to start doing less to offset the 30 years of tax breaks on the rich. You'll never find me say "I want more from the government". All my arguments are saying that government should just increase taxes on the rich back to the level they were at for 50 years before Reagan, you know, during the most prosperous times for the middle class. And maybe restore some rights for unions (while all creating a check on over-powerful unions).

As for your lack of funds, you have enough to pay for your entertainment (computer, broadband, probably an xbox, nice flat screen tv maybe, car, car audio???, etc) and yet the best you can come up with to help these others you are so worried about is 'uh... I give the bum on the corner change through my car window sometimes'... its pathetic. You, are pathetic.
I also notice you dodged the point about your leisure time. How much time do you donate to helping the needy every month? Not one fucking minute, that's how long. So take your hypocritical ass somewhere where they might believe your double standards and self-serving 'charity'.

I make about $700 a month, working five days, minimum wage. How much disposable income do you think I have? I give $200 to my mom every month, I spend around $150 a month to pay for gas to get me to school and work. That leaves me with $350 to pay for everything else. After having to pay for car maintenance and **** like that, I probably have $3500 through a year as disposable. But because I don't give every last cent to some charity, that makes me a hypocrite because I think people who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year should pay extra in taxes. Take a step back and look how ridiculous you are being.

I'm not saying that the rich should spend ALL of their disposable income and ALL of their free time on charity that only helps less than 1% of people anyway (the homeless). I'm saying those with enormous incomes should be taxed more than the average person to pay for things beneficial to 99% of people.

I want to use the "sacrifice the 1 to save 99" metaphor, but it's not like you're sacrificing the rich. It's more like cutting the arm of 1 to save 99.

Anyway, I'm done defending your bullshit arguments about me being a hypocrite. You have in firmly in your head that you're psychic, know everything about me, so nothing I say, despite all the logic used, will change your mind. Shit, you probably won't even read it anyway, let alone respond to it. If you want to call me a hypocrite to make yourself feel better, that is fine, it doesn't making taxing the richest 1% of people to benefit 99% of people unfair. Which is exactly what you're trying to accomplish.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

Basically, to follow his logic to it's logical conclusion, he needs to sell his car audio, computer, donate his disposable income, and donate his free time to help the poor until there are no poor. He expects no less of the "rich"! This is accurate, and correct. If not, then he is, by definition, a hypocrite.

And to follow your logic to the logical conclusion, you want anarchy where the rich can just exploit everyone else for all they're worth, and when the poor rise up, the rich can just plant machine guns every 10 feet and murder them all. You'll be included in those murdered, by the way.

Okay, now that we're done talking about the obviously false extremes of either side, can we actually argue about what the other person has said?

It's expected that you will be ignorant of certain things, until you have learned for yourself that the crap you're fed by the liberal media(New York Times, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, et al), is all a hoax to control you.

Yeah, and let me guess, Rush and Fox news are the only unbiased and fair media outlets, right? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif It's everyone else that is biased. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

I make about $700 a month, working five days, minimum wage. How much disposable income do you think I have? I give $200 to my mom every month, I spend around $150 a month to pay for gas to get me to school and work.

LOL, this explains everything.

Anyway, I'm done defending your bullshit arguments about me being a hypocrite.

Good, you're not convincing anyone.

I'm generally more liberal than conservative, and you're even annoying as fuck to me.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

John Stossel would whip everyones ass in this thread.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I'm generally more liberal than conservative, and you're even annoying as fuck to me.

Then stop reading the thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif It's not my fault you confuse politics with policy so you hate both sides and can't see the truth for yourself.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Then stop reading the thread. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif It's not my fault you confuse politics with policy so you hate both sides and can't see the truth for yourself.

Can you do us all a favor and find a political forum to rant on, since that's all you do on here?

You watch that new Conspiracy Theory show with Jesse Ventura, don't you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/ponder.gif.ec2527b23f1d287b60dcbba54f95edba.gif

Be honest.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

I think America should be more like North Korea. Maybe Cuba.

 

[Proximity 10+ year member]

I think America should be more like North Korea. Maybe Cuba.

I vote Iran. You know, except christianity instead of islam.

 

[galacticmonkey 5,000+ posts]

I vote Iran. You know, except christianity instead of islam.

Of course. We need a Jesus Dictator.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Of course. We need a Jesus Dictator.

I think Snoopdan is eligible.