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[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

Yes, north Americans are the poorest people for looking after their own health, causing a massive strain on the health system. If people would put down the fork, and get some daily exercise, they would not have the health issues they do. That goes without saying.

But you cannot tell me, that someone with a bad knee, will have access to a top knee surgeon if he just walks into a hospital.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Right. Not in any system. Ever. So what's the point of bringing it up?

You said the average and the poor have the same access as anyone else in this country. That's definitely not true. Ive seen it from both sides. If you had too, you'd know the stark differences your comment ignores.

 

[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

The top knee surgeons are not for the average or the poor. They're for the top citizens. That's by design. A perfect design.


Both subsets can walk into the same hospital and get the same care. The average and the poor have absolutely no right to special treatment. They have not deserved it.

That is pure ignorance. You mean to tell me that a child who is born into poverty is not entitled to the same care of a child born into wealth?

 

[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

Also wealth has no bearing on who is a "top citizen". There are many average/poor people who will do more for their communities than some rich smuck who is only out for themselves.

You speak as if you have money, and therefore are "entitled" to things that poor are not.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Both subsets can walk into the same hospital and get the same care.

"Can" and "do" are vastly different entities within the context of this discussion. The richest man in the world 'can' drive a Hyundai too, does that make him equal to middle class citizens within the context of vehicular transport?

 

[CHEMMINS 10+ year member]

I am entitled to every god damn thing I've earned. No one else is.

So what you are saying is your children shouldn't be entitled to your money or the health care it can buy either. I mean, really......they didn't earn it.

Your attitude exceeds your intelligence in these matters. Maybe your money will be able to help you go buy a clue.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

You'll have to go back to VW if you want to bring automobile industry correlations back into the conversation bro. I'm staying on topic today.

Just say you're scared of my logic, I wont think any less of you. We are BFF's now, remember? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

So what you are saying is your children shouldn't be entitled to your money or the health care it can buy either. I mean, really......they didn't earn it.
Your attitude exceeds your intelligence in these matters. Maybe your money will be able to help you go buy a clue.

You've only thanked one person, ever. Unless it was me, I think that renders your opinion invalid.

But if it was me you thanked, I agree fully.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Actually you didn't "fix" it. I quoted direct from the journal. So yes, it is because of medical bills, not "some".
And yes bankruptcy is a health care issue when it is the health care system that is causing the bankruptcies. And if the states is not careful with their spending....they will be in the shitter too.

Here is a good read for those who think the states has the best health care in the world. - Discovery Health "10 Health Care Systems Around the World"

This is laughable at best, the orgs that did the scoring already got busted for using CRAP data. You also need to look at the source of the data because a whole lump sum gets twisted and bastardized. Many of the WHOLE countries you mentioned are actually worse off than we are. I know we have some bad states like California but weren't they trying to be more like the EU than the rest of the country?

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

So what you are saying is your children shouldn't be entitled to your money or the health care it can buy either. I mean, really......they didn't earn it.
Your attitude exceeds your intelligence in these matters. Maybe your money will be able to help you go buy a clue.

What do you have against private property? Also do you think government has a right to tax 35-55% of what you leave your kids? Sounds like double dipping to me considering taxes have already been paid on estates like this for decades before one dies.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Not scared, just not equiped. If I give you a tangent, you'll take it and end up owning it like you did with VW. But by the time that happens, neither of us will know WTF we're talking about or what the point of the thread was. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

I concede that point to you.