Tweeters too harsh, thinking of replacing..

harsh tweeters are usually a result of phase interference due to reflections/diffraction from placement/aiming, and phase interference/acoustic phase as a result of the combination of tweeter/woofer at crossover frequencies.
factory tweeter locations are usually poor, and how the tweeter is mounted or interfaces with the factory grills makes a difference. the wavelengths being reproduced are small, and affected by surrounding surfaces/mounting.

the tweeters are separate from the woofers, and the crossover point is different from factory - acoustic phase plays a role here.

companies like Boston Acoustics don't make harsh sounding tweeters, but they test them in ideal conditions. i've taken tweeters i thought were harsh and put them in spheres and had them sound amazing. diffraction is real. i've changed crossover points and slopes and solved harsh sounding highs.

additionally, you could be hearing distortion in the form of harmonics. as you turn up the volume the amplifier distortion increases. as distortion increases, harmonics are introduced. tweeters suffer the most from increased distortion because of harmonics. when tweeters are blown, it's usually the result of an increase in delivered power in the form of harmonics from clipping.

my point is, replacing the tweeters with different models in the same location with the same amplification is not a likely solution to your problem.

acoustic phase is describing the signal from the speakers arriving at your ears - this is more important than electrical phase since acoustic phase involves the listening position. you need to consider that the tweeter signal needs to be in acoustic phase with the woofer signal or it will sound harsh. you'll think it's just the tweeters, but it's commonly the combination of the tweeter and woofer (since they crossover slopes are generally shallow). swapping polarity on the tweeter may or may not solve the problem based on the woofer separation and crossover point/slope.

you consider the acoustic centers of the drivers, then think that the path lengths traveled are different. then factor in specular reflections, and you have multiple arrival times. at high frequencies, those arrival times can result in constructive and destructive interference which sounds harsh.

the dome material matters much less than the placement. silk can sound "harsh" with poor placement and metal can sound "smooth" with proper placement.
So basically what you are saying is that I should try to relocate the tweeters before I try a new pair? I also see what you mean when you say at higher volumes it could be clipping because at lower volumes it definitely sounds fuller and less harsh. Its when I jack the volume that it gets piercing. Could it be because the amp I am running puts out 150 watts rms and bostons can only handle 85rms? I really dont think its the amp that is clipping, the gain is basically set to 0 because otherwise it is just WAY too loud. Could it be that I am over driving the speakers?

 

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^^^^ This man knows his stuff. I dnt understand half of it but I got a lifetime to learn lol.
Ya, that's the same way I feel!

 
you need to play around with it to see if it helps or not. We can't really tell you exactly what to do unless we can be there in person

do it one at a time though. You might as well try your mids the same time

 
Alright, I will try it and I really appreciate all the input. You guys have been great. I will report back tomorrow with results.
Before you do, try EQ'ing the mid. If my memory serves me correctly, Boston tweets are crossed over above 3.2k...so work below that. Bostons usually have a very high peak coming from the mid that can make things sound harsh and fools people thinking it's the tweeter when it's not. EQ the mid and you may find your problem.

I've owned a few Boston components in my past and they all had that issue. I wanna say 800hz is the culprit but I'm not 100% certain.

 
Before you do, try EQ'ing the mid. If my memory serves me correctly, Boston tweets are crossed over above 3.2k...so work below that. Bostons usually have a very high peak coming from the mid that can make things sound harsh and fools people thinking it's the tweeter when it's not. EQ the mid and you may find your problem.
I've owned a few Boston components in my past and they all had that issue. I wanna say 800hz is the culprit but I'm not 100% certain.
could also be an issue of harmonics as well

http://online.physics.uiuc.edu/courses/phys193/Student_Reports/Fall04/Brian_Lunardini/Brian_Lunardini_P199pom_Fall04_Final_Report.pdf

 
sorry to threadjack, but replacing a tweet in a comp set is just as easy as buying a new tweet? will i change the final ohm load? just get a 4 ohm tweet?
As long as you get the same impedance tweeter as before you shouldn't run into any problems

 
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