Tubes.....and the Jerks that use them.

[PV Audio 5,000+ posts]

480 volts is quite a bit

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Tube amps - they clip the input, but not the output to get that desiralbe distortion, right?

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

^^ iwas just about to say lol, 24kw off a home breaker?

I have 14 circuit breaks that feed the house, so the electrical service coming in

must be at least 14 x 20A = 280A. You don't operate those 14 circuit at full power

either and the electrical company probably over-engineers the feed coming into

the house to prevent fires.

All you need to is to add more breakers to the panel and install the extra wiring

to the room -- easier said than done for a non-electrician //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eyebrow.gif.fe2c18d8720fe8c7eaed347b21ea05a5.gif

.. so six monster amps = six more breakers/wires to add ..

Or cheat;

Cheat #1 - tap into existing electrical wiring.

Cheat #2 - route the extra wiring to your breaker box and tap off existing breakers so they share if your panel can't support more breakers.

/bah .. it's a headache unless you have money, in that case you hire someone

to do this ....

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Or steal your neighbors power //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

YA! F dem **** snobby SOBs. If they want something warm and fuzzy then give me a hug instead of your tube amp //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

Whatever floats ones boat though.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

Anyone who has even barely delved into the Audiophile realm will quickly learn that these people that love that "warm" sound of tubes are totally conceited.
It's like these people *cough* Jack Frost *cough* think that they know something that 90% of all other audio connoisseurs don't. The truth is that Tube fans are like Corvette owners. They think they own the ultimate driving machine and thus their shit don't stink, but in reality, they are too poor to step to a real machine and are thus left to rule the trailer park.

One day maybe they'll see, that there's more to audio that disgustingly high noise floor and embellished recreation of recordings....//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Who is your favorite artist/s of all time?

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

Who is your favorite artist/s of all time?

Picasso...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/up2something.gif.dd110ecf3ae4b76050d87598f2f8de7c.gif

 

[Raven 10+ year member]

Oddly enough, I bet Beat Dominator has never even *listened* to a tube amp. I've gone so far as to hook an SS amp to my left headphone, and a tube amp to my right headphone, and play music so I can hear a very direct and real difference between the two. It doesn't mean my shit smells nice, it just means I know the difference and prefer the tube amp. Sheesh.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Tube amps - they clip the input, but not the output to get that desiralbe distortion, right?

No.

When a tube amplifier distorts the waveform morphs, if you were to see

a sine wave it would look irregular vs the square wave type of waveform you see

with solid state. This distortion is what people associated with tube sound.

They like the tube distortion because it's not as nasty as square wave distortion.

On the other hand when you play tubes in their linear region, you'd fail a blind test with

a solid state amplifier because waveforms would be unclipped and be an representation

of the source just amplified.

Guitar players like tube amplifiers because they over-drive the amp into

distortion to create their 'tones'.

To bias someone towards tubes, all you do is get two amplifiers of the same power,

one solid state, one tube and run them into distortion, people will favor the tube.

The trick to get high performance out of a solid state amplifier is to operate the amplifier

unclipped. To do this you need high voltage rails. High voltage rails is associated with

high powered amplifiers. If you raise your clipping headroom you will have more dynamic

music and no clipping distortion.

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Who is your favorite artist/s of all time?

I like Escher, and Keith Haring. Of course I enjoy things from the classic artists as well.

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[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Oddly enough, I bet Beat Dominator has never even *listened* to a tube amp. I've gone so far as to hook an SS amp to my left headphone, and a tube amp to my right headphone, and play music so I can hear a very direct and real difference between the two.

How nice of you to prove my point with a conceited remark like that.

 

[vasilios 10+ year member]

for guitar, ill take a nice WARM, FULL, and THICK sound of a tube amp any day over solid-state.

every solid-state amp ive tried has just the opposite sound; cold, empty, and thin.

ive been playing for 5-6 years...tube amps continue to rule when it comes to its mild overdrive soft clipping sound and tone.

but, then again, a lot of solid-state modeling amps now a days are starting to sound more and more like tube amps...its scary.

 

[Johnny Drama 5,000+ posts]

I like Escher, and Keith Haring. Of course I enjoy things from the classic artists as well.
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Not what I meant //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Who is you fav musical artist.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

No.
When a tube amplifier distorts the waveform morphs, if you were to see

a sine wave it would look irregular vs the square wave type of waveform you see

with solid state. This distortion is what people associated with tube sound.

They like the tube distortion because it's not as nasty as square wave distortion.

On the other hand when you play tubes in their linear region, you'd fail a blind test with

a solid state amplifier because waveforms would be unclipped and be an representation

of the source just amplified.

Guitar players like tube amplifiers because they over-drive the amp into

distortion to create their 'tones'.

To bias someone towards tubes, all you do is get two amplifiers of the same power,

one solid state, one tube and run them into distortion, people will favor the tube.

The trick to get high performance out of a solid state amplifier is to operate the amplifier

unclipped. To do this you need high voltage rails. High voltage rails is associated with

high powered amplifiers. If you raise your clipping headroom you will have more dynamic

music and no clipping distortion.

Ah yes.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif

About the irregular waveforms. When I hooked up my AC Epicenter to my oscope. I got some weird looking waves. Weren't squared, but more of like stretching and bending in ways unimaginable.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

but, then again, a lot of solid-state modeling amps now a days are starting to sound more and more like tube amps...its scary.

Yes, PHEAR teh SS rebellion! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif