Tired of Pioneer 10's

[iver729 10+ year member]

I have a Phoenix Gold Xenon X600.1 amp powering two Pioneer TS-W256DVC Subs right now. It is my first setup and wasn't that bad in my opinion. The subs were a little weak and now I am looking to replace them. I want to use the same amp, any suggestions?

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[TeoTorriatte 10+ year member]

I have a Phoenix Gold Xenon X600.1 amp powering two Pioneer TS-W256DVC Subs right now. It is my first setup and wasn't that bad in my opinion. The subs were a little weak and now I am looking to replace them. I want to use the same amp, any suggestions?

Sealed? Ported? Budget? SQ, or just as loud as possible off of 600W? Using same box? How much airspace available? Moving to larger subs?
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[DanCap 10+ year member]

Arent those subs, 400 watt rms? if im not mistaken, i know the 12's are at 400 or 500. So you arent getting the full potential out of those subs in the first place.

I'm not to familar with these subs, but correct me if im wrong, a 600 watt amp can't power two 400watt subs (total 800 watt rms)

 

[mrogowski 5,000+ posts]

I will give you $5 for your subs right now. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[tigerf117 10+ year member]

# Amplifier Type: Mono

# RMS Power: 600W x 1 @ 4 ohms

# THD at 4-Ohm RMS Power: n/a

# Bridged RMS Power: 600W x 1 @ 2 ohms

If you were to get two of those, one for each sub, it would sound much better. Nothing is really going to sound much better with just that one amp. Thats what I would definitely do.

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_1491_Phoenix+Gold+R8.0-1.html

Not exactly the same, but pretty close. Are those 2 or 4ohm voicecoils?

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_6720_Precision+Power+PPI+D2000-1.html

Sell the amp you have now and pick that one up if you can bridge those subs to a 1ohm load, that'll put 1000watts (thats prob pretty conservative for that amp as well). So that'd be 500-600watts per sub.

 

[mike dressure 10+ year member]

Sealed? Ported? Budget? SQ, or just as loud as possible off of 600W? Using same box? How much airspace available? Moving to larger subs?
Details man... give a few more details...

if you awnser these then we can help you!

 

[BLD 25 10+ year member]

actually, the x600.1 is known t benchtest near 800w or more. You are properly powering them, and 100w to each speaker wouldn't make much difference anyway.

 

[iver729 10+ year member]

I have them in a sealed box right now. I would like to keep the amp for $$ reasons. As for a budget for the sub(s), $250. I only spent $100 total on the original pioneers from sonicelectronix.com. I want more sq and would also get a new box.

 

[mike dressure 10+ year member]

those pioneers come alive ported. get a ported enclosure they will love every bit of it

 

[TeoTorriatte 10+ year member]

Arent those subs, 400 watt rms? if im not mistaken, i know the 12's are at 400 or 500. So you arent getting the full potential out of those subs in the first place.
I'm not to familar with these subs, but correct me if im wrong, a 600 watt amp can't power two 400watt subs (total 800 watt rms)

You would be wrong. Running 800 instead of 600 is going to gain like 1.25 dB (not counting power compression) at full volume. It will barely make any difference at all.
Also, the enclosure dictates how much power a sub can actually handle mechanically -- a 400w sub is rated to thermally handle 400w of power, but it may very well reach its mechanical limits with 300 watts in an optimum sized box.

 

[snoopdan 5,000+ posts]

Also, the enclosure dictates how much power a sub can actually handle mechanically -- a 400w sub is rated to thermally handle 400w of power, but it may very well reach its mechanical limits with 300 watts in an optimum sized box.

x2 just take a 3kw rms rated sub and set it on your kitchen table and power it with a couple of 40.1's....see how long it sits there till it smokes //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

put the same driver in a box with the same power and it wangs. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fro.gif.c695f1f814b01c4ad99fe7f8cccadd29.gif

 

[TeoTorriatte 10+ year member]

I have them in a sealed box right now. I would like to keep the amp for $$ reasons. As for a budget for the sub(s), $250. I only spent $100 total on the original pioneers from sonicelectronix.com. I want more sq and would also get a new box.

Two of these sealed... http://www.tcsounds.com/db500.htm -- if you have the space for them (need ~1.5 cu ft each).

 

[Cbass 10+ year member]

those pioneers come alive ported. get a ported enclosure they will love every bit of it

x2... or get the 12's (306's) and port em'