this forum needs help badly..

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

I guess I didnt address the t-dome aspect of your reply very well misterdeadeye. We allow the t-dome to exist as it does, almost lawless, as a sort of peace offering to the people who use to enjoy the entire site operating in the same fashion (the type of people jtomsic says we were better off having around). I also feel it's relaxed rules offers an outlet to the members that makes the stricter rules of the tech and classified sections more palatable. I loo at it like recess for school kids, its their chance to expel their destructive energy in a designated area. Not that Im calling the members here children, just that the parallel fits pretty well. lol

who did i say i wanted around for you to put words in my mouth to say i wanted around? i never said i wanted anybody around that banned everyone and let their be lawless-ness(sp?) im asking for total opposite infact so i dont know where you got that.. your interpreting what im saying totally different than you should be.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I blame the economy. Times are different Car Audio isn't on the mind of the typical guy on a budget these days. Maybe thats why people stopped comming to the forum....I actually learned something useful from this thread about reporting posts and the rules and how they are enforced //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
P.S. Plz don't ban spider monkey he makes me laugh

I think you make a valid point, the car audio community/industry as a whole has really taken a hit over the bad economy. Im not sure how much, or even if, that affects online community sizes, but it certainly cant help the situation any.
Im glad you learned some things about the rules and report button from this thread. Not only does giving the members the power to help police themselves through the report post button help us moderators do our jobs, it also gives the members a feeling of having a personal involvement in shaping the community. At least, I hope people do, or some day will, feel that way.

 

[bubbagumper6 5,000+ posts]

The Dome must exist in it's current form. If the Dome becomes rule enforced this would just be CACO //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

I think the current moderation staff is doing a fine job. I think the tech sections are getter better with the exception of a lot of noobs helping noobs and spreading misinformation. But at least the trolling and general angst is gone. Also that one guy said no one who comes here to help in the tech section cares about the Dome....well I come here to help and I love coming into the Dome and bullshitting, so yeah

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

meh, get thicker skin //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

The issue isn't about being tougher. I'm not really offended by much, but I know that the homophobia and mental retardation problems are some of the biggest in the United States. The terms of service is a legal agreement. It's the law.

i dont see anybody accusing of over moderation..except the trolls who want to use the n word and see **** on here... i dont think anybody who comes for car audio and to help people really cares about those things that much anyways.

I agree with this, specifically. Most of the people trying to help agree with the newly implemented rules. Those who don't, don't deserve to be here. They can get their jollies off on 4chan or the like. And about the balancing act - I understand. There are always freedoms you shouldn't take away from people, but I don't think the blatant use of derogatory and discriminating terms in the context they're used in should be thought of as freedom. It should be thought of as terrorism, because that's what it is. Freedom and terrorism are very different things. There's a reason for the censors implemented in the site; it's the same reason you shouldn't use the words I mentioned earlier.

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

The issue isn't about being tougher. I'm not really offended by much, but I know that the homophobia and mental retardation problems are some of the biggest in the United States. The terms of service is a legal agreement. It's the law.


I agree with this, specifically. Most of the people trying to help agree with the newly implemented rules. Those who don't, don't deserve to be here. They can get their jollies off on 4chan or the like. And about the balancing act - I understand. There are always freedoms you shouldn't take away from people, but I don't think the blatant use of derogatory and discriminating terms in the context they're used in should be thought of as freedom. It should be thought of as terrorism, because that's what it is. Freedom and terrorism are very different things. There's a reason for the censors implemented in the site; it's the same reason you shouldn't use the words I mentioned earlier.

yeah audioholic is totally not understanding my point at all.. he seems to think i want everywhere to be lawless when im wanting total opposite.. i want him to do what hes suppose to do and moderate the help sections and dont let the trolls harass and degrade everyone who asks a question...thats ALL i am asking for...why was i attacked for wantin that by a moderator? no clue.

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

The Dome must exist in it's current form. If the Dome becomes rule enforced this would just be CACO //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif
I think the current moderation staff is doing a fine job. I think the tech sections are getter better with the exception of a lot of noobs helping noobs and spreading misinformation. But at least the trolling and general angst is gone. Also that one guy said no one who comes here to help in the tech section cares about the Dome....well I come here to help and I love coming into the Dome and bullshitting, so yeah

I don't have a problem with the Dome itself. My problem is with some of its inhabitants. I think it's nice to have a relaxed place to go talk about getting tickets and getting caught keying cars. That stuff is entertaining.

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

I don't have a problem with the Dome itself. My problem is with some of its inhabitants. I think it's nice to have a relaxed place to go talk about getting tickets and getting caught keying cars. That stuff is entertaining.

couldnt agree more.. the dome should stay in the dome though and not be a free for all in every tech section

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

watch out hes going to ask for a mathematical formula for you to back up your claim of that half the posts..he will then say your guesstimation somehow makes you less smart than him cause his screennames in orange. but your exactly right.. he seems to think that everything is hunky doory cause he talked about making things better..but things realisticly arent and are getting worst but hey what do i know i left for 2 years and come back 4 months ago.. i obviously have no clue what i see on a daily basis and what i saw when i was on this site years ago.. he sees things differently than alot of the rest of the forum members apparently. oh well though. just have to get your tech help else where and watch and laugh at the trolls bash the new members or anybody who has any type of question.

Yep, in the past 4 months you've been back, you've seen that 75-80% of the threads in the tech sections are 'trolled hardcore'. You clearly have your finger on the pulse of this forum.

I have nothing against you personally, and if you had a valid complaint, Id definitely take it seriously. All the mods want to get feedback from the members on what the site could do to improve. But what am I suppose to say when you complain we dont have rules like no trolling or harassing people, when we DO have those rules. And then you complain that the vast majority of the threads are trolled, but when I call you out on it you admit you were exaggerating and act as if that doesn't invalidate your opinion of the scope of the problem. And then you suggest that you having to actually report the offending posts to the mods is too much to ask of you. Seriously, these are all things you've said and done today. So, realistically, how serious do you believe I should be taking your complaints right now? I take everyone's opinion serious, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with, act on, or even apologize for every perceived problem that is brought to my attention. I think, based upon the above listing of your actions today of exaggerations and complaints about rules you dont even seem to know, that it is fair to not agree with, or apologize over, your opinions of the situation. The site still needs plenty of improving, nobody is claiming otherwise. But its not like you are going to get me to say sorry for not having rulkes that we DO have, or say sorry for allowing the vast majority of the tech section threads to be trolled, when they aren't. Your arguments all day long really are nothing more than gut feelings you have, with nothing but exaggerations to quantify them. You cant really expect me to act on that, you are being unreasonable.

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

when did i say i wouldnt and shouldnt have to report posts? i dont remember ever saying that.. not once.. and yes i exaggerated the amount of troll posts..but not by much honestly and if you think my complaint isnt valid..what about the other 10-12 people saying the same thing in this thread? is there complaints also not valid? you seem to be seeing and thinking what you want cause im not saying or wanting the things your accusing me of.. but you were too busy attacking me to read my posts and understand them probably huh? and having rules and enforcing them..are two different things..you might have the rules im saying you need but you def. dont enforce them.

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

apparently you made your mind up about what im saying and never read anything i said because most of what you said is untrue... and i never said... did i exaggerate and say 90% or whatever..sure but thats not far off like i said and if you think its not.. maybe you should read the tech forums a little more..and like i said having a rule and enforcing it are two totaly different things..

 

[MisterDeadeye 10+ year member]

yeah audioholic is totally not understanding my point at all.. he seems to think i want everywhere to be lawless when im wanting total opposite.. i want him to do what hes suppose to do and moderate the help sections and dont let the trolls harass and degrade everyone who asks a question...thats ALL i am asking for...why was i attacked for wantin that by a moderator? no clue.

While I understand your point of view, I think you're getting somewhat out of line. You can have a discussion with a mod about problems without it getting out of hand, and he's not the only one to blame(even if he's the authority figure). Your argument was getting personal, and it was coming from both sides. What needed to have been said was already said. You want the rules to be enforced more, and he wants the members' help. You're on the same side, but you're too busy arguing to realize it. What you don't realize is that with this topic, and others like it, more members, and future members, will understand how the rules work, and what they can do to help. Surely you know that most people signing up just accept the TOS and decide not to read through the rules.

Audioholic: jtossaldfka isn't trying to say that an immature forum is better than it is now. He's not-so-simply stating that he wishes the forum is the same as it was before all of the problematic moderators and such. He's out of line with his accusations, but you should use the respect you're entitled to to change the tone of your argument. Calling him out in posts having nothing to do with him isn't very respectable. On a side note, I think you should update the rules, or make it so that every member is redirected to the rules page before being able to post. I know the admin(Goob? I haven't really paid enough attention to get everyone's names down) can do that. I'm not sure if you know, but the rules page is almost bare, and it's incomplete. The name of the site isn't even defined.

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

do you owe me an apology?..i think so because your totally not getting the point of this thread and seem to be fixated on the exaggerated number for some reason and making up things i said also.. so your way out of line. will i get an apology? of course not you seem to think your smarter than everyone else or something so why would i expect someone that arrogant to admit their wrong?

 

[whitedragon551 5,000+ posts]

All I see is alot of whining ITT. The TDome is for trolling where almost anything goes. So far I havent seen a single person in the first 2 pages report a post recently, but Ive seen them all complain nothing is being done. Its a two way street. We wont catch everything.

If you see an issue in the tech section report it as trolling isnt welcome there.

That being said I created a thread for what we can do to make this place better and so far its a whooping 2 pages long complaining we should allow ****** and racial slurs, both of which wont happen and its been beaten to death. If things needed changing I assume people would voice their opinions there.

http://www.caraudio.com/forums/forum-news-bug-reporting-usage-questions/512314-what-can-we-do.html

 

[jtomsic 5,000+ posts]

While I understand your point of view, I think you're getting somewhat out of line. You can have a discussion with a mod about problems without it getting out of hand, and he's not the only one to blame(even if he's the authority figure). Your argument was getting personal, and it was coming from both sides. What needed to have been said was already said. You want the rules to be enforced more, and he wants the members' help. You're on the same side, but you're too busy arguing to realize it. What you don't realize is that with this topic, and others like it, more members, and future members, will understand how the rules work, and what they can do to help. Surely you know that most people signing up just accept the TOS and decide not to read through the rules.
Audioholic: jtossaldfka isn't trying to say that an immature forum is better than it is now. He's not-so-simply stating that he wishes the forum is the same as it was before all of the problematic moderators and such. He's out of line with his accusations, but you should use the respect you're entitled to to change the tone of your argument. Calling him out in posts having nothing to do with him isn't very respectable. On a side note, I think you should update the rules, or make it so that every member is redirected to the rules page before being able to post. I know the admin(Goob? I haven't really paid enough attention to get everyone's names down) can do that. I'm not sure if you know, but the rules page is almost bare, and it's incomplete. The name of the site isn't even defined.

i agree 100% but he attacked me with nonsense and is trying to prove his point by making up things i said? i didnt attack him til he came at me with his arrogant attitude like hes king dingaling.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

when did i say i wouldnt and shouldnt have to report posts? i dont remember ever saying that.. not once..

do i really need to spend ALL day reporting 95% of the posts everyday?

Look, Im tired of this back and forth with you. I could have told you to deal with it, or leave, this morning. But Ive spent a good deal of time today trying to reason with you and show you that we mods ARE trying to improve things. I didnt have to, but I did. But you seem to just want to pick a fight, Im done trying to get you to be reasonable. The old saying 'cant please everyone'... it was talking about you in this instance.

The bottom line is, we mods simply cant read every reply, in every post, every day. Aint gonna happen. You want to volunteer to do it? Didnt think so. So, we HAVE to rely on the help of the members to report posts they see that violate the rules. If that's too much trouble for you, fine, whatever. But we do have members that help regularly. And maybe even more will step up to help due to the heightened awareness this debate today has created for the topic.