I understand, Yeah I bought my first system there (Pair of Rockford Fosgate Punch Z 10's off of a rockford fosgate Punch 150s) and they charged me an *** load. My Parents just have an obsession with them, because thats where they get their equipment from (HT). But yeah like you said I agree with salesmen trying to make an extra buck or two, but there is a limit. I also now refuse to do business with them, partly because I cant stand their sales team, and the installers think they are gods gift to car audio. Also because I get a huge discount at Alpineinstallers shop in my home town //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif, I got my 9855 for right at 345, and alpines MSRP is ~500, and best buy carries it for like 450. You ought to head down to mansfield one day and speak with them. They can get Diamond Audio for sure, and I think they can get kenwood. Dont be starteled when you walk in the shop and you see an assload of Power Accoustic, SPL brand, Jensen, and Dual. they sell that because no one in mansfield would know a good sounding system if it slapped him/her in the face.