**The MLB Thread**

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

STFU ***! What, he dosent do well and now you want him gone? Were praising the shit out of him year after year..........when he does well.
Just goes to show you, you only ride your teams/players nutz when they do well.

Samething with the basketball thread, where you hardly posted because the Pistons sucked hard!

Because, dumbass, he is 35 and has completely fallen off a cliff. He has a vesting option in his contract that will kick in about 90 more games that guarantees another 2 years at 15 million per, so Detroit will be on the hook for a 37 year old who is severe decline. The only way to get out of it is to trade him, which no team will take on that contract. Bench him so he doesn't reach the plate appearance requirements, but his agent will file a grievance and have the players union on the Tigers ***. Try to find a way to DL him for a couple months. They could hope someone picks up the contract on waivers which wouldn't happen, so their final option is to release him and eat the rest of the contract.

About the basketball thread, I haven't even been on the forums, much less visit the basketball thread //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

There is a point and time when you have to face the reality that a player is in decline. I saw it with Pudge the last couple years, and his stint in New York and the fact no one wanted him in the off season proved that. This Magglio situation reeks of 2005 with Dimitri Young. Dimitri played until his option kicked in, then announced he was injured.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

There have been plenty of players who have played well past the age of 35.......hell even 37 and have done well. He is having an off year, which happens from time to time. Even the greatest players have had off years.

Samething Sizemore is going through and he is young as hell. I say off with his head with him and his contract because he is *******................see what I am saying. Magg's has been an assest to your team since he came there. He had off years with the Sox and then picked his game back up in Detriot. Who knows what is wrong, but give it time, he will come back alive.

You did this same shit with Billups with the Pistons and you used to praise the shit out of him and then when he got traded, all you could do was hype up Iverson and say awesome trade as Iverson will be a stepping stone to getting someone better, which you might, be didn't help you this year. You guys were terrible and look where Chauncy is now. You even talked about how Chauncy was diminishing there too and he has had an amazing year with Denver.

You are nothing but a fan when your team does well, period! You will praise the high heavens about your team and the players doing well, but when they ****, then lets get them off the books!

Lame as hell still!

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

A number of big name players are having off years.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Get rid of them all, lol!

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

There have been plenty of players who have played well past the age of 35.......hell even 37 and have done well. He is having an off year, which happens from time to time. Even the greatest players have had off years.

Magglio isn't playing well, and history and science will tell you that once a human being passes 35, their physical ability declines. You can't risk spending 30 million on Magglio to see of he is done or not. The Tigers are getting older. They need to get younger and frankly, they have to shed payroll. Just look at Pudge. He hit mid 30's and you knew he was done. Well, not you in particular since you are dumb to figure such things out.

Samething Sizemore is going through and he is young as hell. I say off with his head with him and his contract because he is *******................see what I am saying. Magg's has been an assest to your team since he came there. He had off years with the Sox and then picked his game back up in Detriot. Who knows what is wrong, but give it time, he will come back alive.

Sizemore is 26 and history and science has shown that that age is when a person reaches their peak physical ability. Sizemore also provides speed and defense, something that Magglio cannot do anymore at this age. Magglio didn't have off years in Chicago. The year his numbers were down was when he had that sever knee injury and had to go to Austria to get treatment on his knee not even done in the US. Detroit took a huge risk signing him to a 5 year contract that paid off, but it's time to move on.

You did this same shit with Billups with the Pistons and you used to praise the shit out of him and then when he got traded, all you could do was hype up Iverson and say awesome trade as Iverson will be a stepping stone to getting someone better, which you might, be didn't help you this year. You guys were terrible and look where Chauncy is now. You even talked about how Chauncy was diminishing there too and he has had an amazing year with Denver.

Did you not watching the ECF last year? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Chauncey "Mr Big Shot" Billups scored 0 points in the 4th quarter of game 6 when Detroit blew a lead to Boston at home. If Billups was on the team, they probably finish 4th or 5th in the East, probably beat Miami or Atlanta in the first round in a long tough series, than they may win one game against Cleveland in the second round. With Iverson and Rasheed off the books, the Pistons have tons of cap room to rebuild.

You are nothing but a fan when your team does well, period! You will praise the high heavens about your team and the players doing well, but when they ****, then lets get them off the books!
Lame as hell still!

How am I fan when my team does well when I actively supported the Lions in the NFL thread? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif It's not my fault Detroit teams have been doing fairly well the past couple years.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Magglio isn't playing well, and history and science will tell you that once a human being passes 35, their physical ability declines. You can't risk spending 30 million on Magglio to see of he is done or not. The Tigers are getting older. They need to get younger and frankly, they have to shed payroll. Just look at Pudge. He hit mid 30's and you knew he was done. Well, not you in particular since you are dumb to figure such things out.


Sizemore is 26 and history and science has shown that that age is when a person reaches their peak physical ability. Sizemore also provides speed and defense, something that Magglio cannot do anymore at this age. Magglio didn't have off years in Chicago. The year his numbers were down was when he had that sever knee injury and had to go to Austria to get treatment on his knee not even done in the US. Detroit took a huge risk signing him to a 5 year contract that paid off, but it's time to move on.

Did you not watching the ECF last year? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Chauncey "Mr Big Shot" Billups scored 0 points in the 4th quarter of game 6 when Detroit blew a lead to Boston at home. If Billups was on the team, they probably finish 4th or 5th in the East, probably beat Miami or Atlanta in the first round in a long tough series, than they may win one game against Cleveland in the second round. With Iverson and Rasheed off the books, the Pistons have tons of cap room to rebuild.

How am I fan when my team does well when I actively supported the Lions in the NFL thread? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif It's not my fault Detroit teams have been doing fairly well the past couple years.

So because of Science, then get rid of one of your best hitters from the last few years. Gothcha! What is amazing is how happy you get when you get a good player and they shine, but as soon as they have an off-year, then fawk them its time to let them go. I can see it now once Cabrerra hits 26 and slumps. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif No doubt in my mind you will start the shit talking about him too.

About the Eastern conference finals, who cares, we just shut him down, period and probably would do the same thing this year if Denver made it that far. I didn't see you complaining about him when before that or the year his team won it all. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Hey, I am all for every sport person out there who makes millions of dollars to be at their best all day long, everyday.......but that is just not how it goes. They are human too. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

You barely were in the NFL thread, compared to the NBA/MLB.

Also besides IIRC the Redwings, the Lions have sucked balls for years, the Tigers haven't done much the last couple and were dead last, last in the Central and the Pistons can't get it done anymore.

Still the same tool as usual.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

So because of Science, then get rid of one of your best hitters from the last few years. Gothcha! What is amazing is how happy you get when you get a good player and they shine, but as soon as they have an off-year, then fawk them its time to let them go. I can see it now once Cabrerra hits 26 and slumps. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif No doubt in my mind you will start the shit talking about him too.

I know you like to buck science and common sense. When Verlander had a horrible season last year, I said nothing of getting rid of him, because, statistics show that a player his age does not fall apart. (BTW, Cabrera is 26)

About the Eastern conference finals, who cares, we just shut him down, period and probably would do the same thing this year if Denver made it that far. I didn't see you complaining about him when before that or the year his team won it all. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif Hey, I am all for every sport person out there who makes millions of dollars to be at their best all day long, everyday.......but that is just not how it goes. They are human too. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I assume we means Cleveland but Detroit didn't play Cleveland last year //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif In your world, players don't age and decline. I read a fairy tale like this back in second grade. I forget the name of the book.

You barely were in the NFL thread, compared to the NBA/MLB.

I have 138 posts in the NFL thread which is the 9th most. When the playoffs come around, there really is nothing to discuss about the Lions

Also besides IIRC the Redwings, the Lions have sucked balls for years, the Tigers haven't done much the last couple and were dead last, last in the Central and the Pistons can't get it done anymore.

Remind me when the last time Cleveland won anything //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif What about the 41 year span of putrid baseball? the fact the Pistons have made it to the ECF more times this decade than the Cavs have in their history.

I'm Still the same tool as usual.

I agree. You'll never change.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

I'm not the one who even brought up this idea

The Magglio Ordonez SituationBy Tim Dierkes [May 13, 2009 at 11:30am CST]

Michael Rosenberg of the Detroit Free Press has a new column about the Magglio Ordonez situation. It's bad enough that the 35 year-old right fielder is off to a .241/.331/.304 start in 127 plate appearances. The other issue is that his 2010 option for $18MM vests if Ordonez reaches 457 total plate appearances this year. He's got just 330 to go, with a current pace of 4.2 per game.

It'd take serious manipulation by Jim Leyland to prevent Ordonez from getting those 330 additional plate appearances. Rosenberg figures that'd result in a grievance by the players union and Scott Boras. Ordonez also has a $15MM vesting option for 2011 based on playing time in 2009 and/or 2010.

How about releasing him? Ignoring deferred money, Ordonez is guaranteed another $14.5MM this year plus a $3MM buyout for 2010. Eating $17.5MM now beats paying Ordonez the remaining $14.5MM for this year and the $18MM for '10. Would that result in a grievance, or are the Tigers free to release him and only be on the hook for this year plus the 2010 buyout?

Toronto did the same thing to Frank Thomas. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

I know you like to buck science and common sense. When Verlander had a horrible season last year, I said nothing of getting rid of him, because, statistics show that a player his age does not fall apart. (BTW, Cabrera is 26)


I assume we means Cleveland but Detroit didn't play Cleveland last year //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif In your world, players don't age and decline. I read a fairy tale like this back in second grade. I forget the name of the book.

I have 138 posts in the NFL thread which is the 9th most. When the playoffs come around, there really is nothing to discuss about the Lions

Remind me when the last time Cleveland won anything //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif What about the 41 year span of putrid baseball? the fact the Pistons have made it to the ECF more times this decade than the Cavs have in their history.

I agree. I will always stay the tool I am, I like to raise it a bar and call myself a toolshack!

So by science, everyone should show a decline by the age of 35 and at the age of 26, that is their top level? I understand what you are saying, but seems to me you are basing this on everyone and trying to make it fact, which it is not. There have been plenty of people that have done well in their mid 30's.

Thought Cabrerra was 26, but I imagine as soon as he starts to slump, you will say something.

Also, you act like Verlander is back for good. He is pitching better right now, but he still has a lot of season left and he didn't look good at all last year, nor the begining of this year. Had a few good starts...........Lee sucked in the beginning, but his last few have been some of the best in baseball, just gets no run support.

That book was called My name is Shawn, AKA Iceteebone and I am actually cool, because I am a keyboard commando! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

How could you have 138 posts about the Lions, lol! Didn't seem that much, but it was a huge thread and most we slammed, me, and a select few others like Adam and Randy Savage. Yes, I had a lot because I like all the teams. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Never said anything about Cleveland doing well. You talk about Detriot sports, like they are the best at everything, when they are far from it.

Also, don't count out the Cavs this year, they have a very good chance at taking the title this year, while your shitty Pistons sit at home and watch.......again.

Of course you will bring up years and years ago, that is what you do.

I agree, I think you are more like a toolshack than just a tool. Good point!

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

So by science, everyone should show a decline by the age of 35 and at the age of 26, that is their top level? I understand what you are saying, but seems to me you are basing this on everyone and trying to make it fact, which it is not. There have been plenty of people that have done well in their mid 30's.

Statistics and modern medicine will tell you that the chances of Magglio rebounding at ages 36 and 37 are not likely. If Magglio did not have a vesting option in his contract, I would not cut him and let him walk at the end of the season. The fact is, he is 35, and his production has dropped severely. It's so bad that Adam Everette has a higher slugging and OPS than Magglio. He has shown decreased range on the OF and is pulled regularly for a defensive replacement. Any logical person can deduce that this sudden decline is brought on by age. Now we add the fact he is becoming a below average defender and will be a DH, but the Tigers already have an aging, below average DH type in Guillen. The Tigers would have to owe these two players 54 million over the next two seasons, plus the bad contracts given to Willis and Robertson. Detroit needs to cut Magglio this year and absorb the loss for this season and free up 15 million. Magglio hasn't struggled just this season, but during spring training and the WBC. Magglio has shown no signs of coming through.

Thought Cabrerra was 26, but I imagine as soon as he starts to slump, you will say something.

No I wouldn't and I didn't when Verlander slumped last year. Magglio's slump is going on 40 games including the WBC.

Also, you act like Verlander is back for good. He is pitching better right now, but he still has a lot of season left and he didn't look good at all last year, nor the begining of this year. Had a few good starts...........Lee sucked in the beginning, but his last few have been some of the best in baseball, just gets no run support.

Verlander had the bad start against Toronto giving up 8 runs in 3 innings. He had a good start in Seattle except for the 5th inning in which he gave up 5 runs in that inning. Since then he has been fantastic. He leads the majors in strikeouts, has a great K/BB ratio, good WHIP, and has seemed to learn how to pitch and not throw.

That book was called My name is Shawn, AKA Iceteebone and I am actually cool, because I am a keyboard commando! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

The book I was thinking of was Tuck Everlasting. It's meant for elementary age students so you maybe able to comprehend it.

How could you have 138 posts about the Lions, lol! Didn't seem that much, but it was a huge thread and most we slammed, me, and a select few others like Adam and Randy Savage. Yes, I had a lot because I like all the teams. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

That is what the statistics show //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif I in fact love the job Mayhew is doing so far.

Never said anything about Cleveland doing well. You talk about Detriot sports, like they are the best at everything, when they are far from it.
Also, don't count out the Cavs this year, they have a very good chance at taking the title this year, while your shitty Pistons sit at home and watch.......again.

LOL. Talk about again. When was the last time the Cavs won? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Of course you will bring up years and years ago, that is what you do.
I agree, I think you are more like a toolshack than just a tool. Good point!

2004 was years and years ago? I'm sorry we have to go back so many years to find a Cleveland championship.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

From 1999 to 2003 in Chicago, Magglio never posted a slugging below 510 and only once had an OPS under 900. In 2005 in Detroit he was injured. In 2006 he posted a 477 slugging and a sub 900 OPS. In 2008 he had a 494 slugging and sub 900 OPS. In 2007 he far exceeded anyone's expectations. 2007 is an apparition. As he got into his low to mid 30's, you could see his numbers trend slightly downwards. There is no indication at all that Magglio will improve or even be worth 15 million at ages 36 and 37. The only players in recent memory to get better with age are Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Perhaps Magglio just needs steroids? If you believe Canseco, he already is on steroids.

 

[bigbangtheory 5,000+ posts]

Lol, you are too funnay! Now you bring up Gullien, who you swore up and down what an awesome SS he was and how he should have been an all star over other people a couple years ago. Now you ready to get rid of him.

Also Magg's went 3-3 the other night with 2 RBi's. It is still in the beginning of the season. If he is doing this bad after the all-star break, then I would start to worry and maybe give him limited at bats and go that route, but you are ready to sit him now.......And then you put in Adam Everett, who has never done shit in this league and sound like you want him to take over. Amazing!

I guess in your logic, Sizemore is at his peak........and he is struggling, so Cleveland should think about letting him go huh?

Can't wait till your nut ridding of Cabrerra starts to struggle. Talked like he is the next big thing and he will eventually have an off year......so fawk him!

Your logic is so skewed at times, that all I can do is laugh.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Lol, you are too funnay! Now you bring up Gullien, who you swore up and down what an awesome SS he was and how he should have been an all star over other people a couple years ago. Now you ready to get rid of him.

Guillen was one of the best hitting SS outside of A-rod from 2004-2007. He was also a 3 time all-star, so how could I have said he should've been an all-star over someone else? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif The key word is was. He is also the wrong side of 30 and can't even stay healthy or play SS anymore. He is a DH now and the Tigers already have one in Magglio, so do they pay 27 million a season to platoon two aging DH's? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Also Magg's went 3-3 the other night with 2 RBi's. It is still in the beginning of the season. If he is doing this bad after the all-star break, then I would start to worry and maybe give him limited at bats and go that route, but you are ready to sit him now.......And then you put in Adam Everett, who has never done shit in this league and sound like you want him to take over. Amazing!

Do you have ADHD? I mean really do you have a learning disability? I never said replace Magglio with Everett. I was merely pointing out that the notorious weak hitting Everett was out slugging Magglio. How your mind draws other such conclusions is incredible. Magglio's struggles have been going on 50 games now. You still can't get it through that layer of fat around your brain that if Magglio reaches his at-bat total, his option automatically kicks in, which is projected to happen around the all-star break. Now that is contract kicks, Detroit is stuck with a player that can't even play the OF anymore. Leyland has put him at DH and has been playing Clete Thomas in RF and batting Clete 3rd. Magglio lost his spot to Clete Thomas for christ sakes.

I guess in your logic, Sizemore is at his peak........and he is struggling, so Cleveland should think about letting him go huh?

Why do you argue medical science? At 26 years old, the male body is near its physical peak. Logic indicates that when a player is struggling during their physical peak, it is either a mental struggle or an injury. When a 35 year old struggles (Magglio could even be older since we really don't know how old these latin players really are) medical science and logic tells me that age has slowed down his bat and weakened his base. (Legs, Knees) Statistics have shown the players production declines at age 35. There are exceptions to the rule like Clemens and Bonds who found steroids, but history shows a players skill diminishes after their early 30's. It is safe to say at 26, Sizemore's physical skill hasn't dimished.

Can't wait till your nut ridding of Cabrerra starts to struggle. Talked like he is the next big thing and he will eventually have an off year......so fawk him!

Why do you keep bringing up Cabrera? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Your logic is so skewed at times, that all I can do is laugh.

You use no logic so I can see how you find logic funny. In your logic, the Tigers would still be paying Sheffield, Magglio, Guillen, and Pudge.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

And BTW, Cleveland doesn't have the contractual obligations to Sizemore that Detroit does to Magglio. Also Sizemore can still play the field and steal some bases.

 

[Lugnutz 10+ year member]

Willis pitched a great game. If the Tigers get anything out of Willis, that would be great.

Too bad Cleveland can't hold on to a 4 run lead //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif