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I think we all need to have ca.com night out at the ballpark.

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Snova is suppose to come down to Queens in September to watch the Braves with me....

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Standings won't matter in the post season. Kenny Rogers isn't that great of a pitcher imo. I don't think there pitching will be as strong the 2nd half. Guillen has the right to choose whoever the hell he wants, if he wants to reward his players for what they've done for him that's his perogative. When the Tigers find a way to win 90-100 games, then they might get the chance to win a world series. Until then Tigers fans should shut up. The game determined home field advantage, so it meant a little more than shit. Oh and one other thing, White Sox pitching hasn't been pretty poor this season.
You can say ANYTHING you want about K. Rogers but the fact is that this year he is getting the job done PERIOD. What you or the other Sox fan thinks won't change that. He's an accomplished who even has a perfect game in his career. He doesn't have the best stuff and yet he can still get the job done. He approaches the game with his head and not just a million dollar arm. His maturity and experience have and will do him justice. Yes, he will get hit hard at times but he will not lose games by walking alot of batters. There is alot to be said about that. And I'm not really sure how you know the Tigers staff won't be as strong the 2nd half because they've showed no signs of weakening. In my opinion their weakest part of the staff is the closer position. If they solidify that they have good enough pitching to go far this year. Also, Tigers only need 31 wins to hit the 90 win mark and 41 to hit 100 and based on the 1st half stats they have a decent chance assuming they keep up the intensity. Lastly, the Sox pitching hasn't been that great at all as of late if you ask me. The reason they have had to make alot of late inning comebacks is because they're giving up alot of runs. Just look at the standings where it says RS and RA.

Team W L RS RA

Tigers 59 29 455 328

Sox 57 31 520 415

Rock solid proof.

 
For one I don't think Verlander will keep pitching as good as he is. Because generally it takes hitters a little while to adjust to a good rookie pitcher. It's happened to many rookies, even Liriano will finish the season with a 3+ era. Rogers and Bonderman will probably stay consistent. I don't think Robertson will pitch as well either and then you have the 5th starter (Miner & Maroth) well if Maroth comes back he's going to need time to adjust. BTW if you've been reading you would have seen where I have said the Sox pitching isn't nearly as good as it is...mainly starting with Garland, he's done a 180 from last season.

 
Ozzie Gullien is a joke show. He is so caught up in his glory. I loved that he left Travis Hafner off the all star team yet he said if another infielder was to make it, it would have been Joe Crede. Lame I tell ya, just lame. I mean Crede is having his best year, but an allstar, please!

Here is a good read about one of the best hitters not making it along with some others that should have. I really wish they would do something about this 1 man on each team should be represented, which is just retarded.

http://sports.aol.com/mlb/story/_a/ballpark-figures-hafners-snub-a-joke/20060710210009990001

 
You can say ANYTHING you want about K. Rogers but the fact is that this year he is getting the job done PERIOD. What you or the other Sox fan thinks won't change that. He's an accomplished who even has a perfect game in his career. He doesn't have the best stuff and yet he can still get the job done. He approaches the game with his head and not just a million dollar arm. His maturity and experience have and will do him justice. Yes, he will get hit hard at times but he will not lose games by walking alot of batters. There is alot to be said about that. And I'm not really sure how you know the Tigers staff won't be as strong the 2nd half because they've showed no signs of weakening. In my opinion their weakest part of the staff is the closer position. If they solidify that they have good enough pitching to go far this year. Also, Tigers only need 31 wins to hit the 90 win mark and 41 to hit 100 and based on the 1st half stats they have a decent chance assuming they keep up the intensity. Lastly, the Sox pitching hasn't been that great at all as of late if you ask me. The reason they have had to make alot of late inning comebacks is because they're giving up alot of runs. Just look at the standings where it says RS and RA.
Team W L RS RA

Tigers 59 29 455 328

Sox 57 31 520 415

Rock solid proof.
As much as I hate the Tigers or the White Sox, I agree with you on this besides the fact of Rogers being mature. Dont you remember when he pushed that camera man down last year and he missed the allstar game due to his mature ways, lol! I do agree he is an awesome pitcher and Detriot has some very talented pitchers, this year anyway. I mean WhiteSox had the same starting 5 last year and were monsters. Besides Contreas the rest of the rotation is struggling and there numbers prove it. If Cleveland dont make it which I can only hope for wishful thinking, then I will pull for Detriot to take out The ChiSox.

 
Ozzie Gullien is a joke show. He is so caught up in his glory. I loved that he left Travis Hafner off the all star team yet he said if another infielder was to make it, it would have been Joe Crede. Lame I tell ya, just lame. I mean Crede is having his best year, but an allstar, please!
Here is a good read about one of the best hitters not making it along with some others that should have. I really wish they would do something about this 1 man on each team should be represented, which is just retarded.

http://sports.aol.com/mlb/story/_a/ballpark-figures-hafners-snub-a-joke/20060710210009990001
They could have used Haffner last night. But then again, he didn't even use Pierzynski, so I doubt he would have used Crede, but still I would have liked to have seen Haffner in the lineup, he can tie the game with one swing.

 
As much as I hate the Tigers or the White Sox, I agree with you on this besides the fact of Rogers being mature. Dont you remember when he pushed that camera man down last year and he missed the allstar game due to his mature ways, lol!
Good point but I wasn't talking about his "off the field" behavior. I was talking in regards to his pitching career. Besides that, what he did last year was wrong and I will not take his side on that. But what I think is that he REALLY needed a change of pace and out of Texas. Now that he has that change of pace it is really showing to be a GOOD change as you can see it in his numbers and performance.

 
For one I don't think Verlander will keep pitching as good as he is. Because generally it takes hitters a little while to adjust to a good rookie pitcher. It's happened to many rookies, even Liriano will finish the season with a 3+ era. Rogers and Bonderman will probably stay consistent. I don't think Robertson will pitch as well either and then you have the 5th starter (Miner & Maroth) well if Maroth comes back he's going to need time to adjust.
All speculation and biased BS. But I don't really blame you being a Sox fan I guess.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

I guess we'll let the rest of the reg season play out and see whose right.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 
They could have used Haffner last night. But then again, he didn't even use Pierzynski, so I doubt he would have used Crede, but still I would have liked to have seen Haffner in the lineup, he can tie the game with one swing.

Yeah he is a very good hitter. I just really wish the rule they would get rid of in the allstar game is that 1 allstar from each team should be represented. I mean it is called a ALLSTAR game for christ sakes. Should be based on the best players in that given season. Not on who has had a awesome career, or someone who is the best pitcher on his team even though he sucks major ***. I mean Mark Redmans stats now and through out his career are a joke. I mean to be honest he isnt even the best pitcher on his team. Stupid rules FTL!

 
All speculation and biased BS. But I don't really blame you being a Sox fan I guess.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
I guess we'll let the rest of the reg season play out and see whose right.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
How is it BS? It's normal to see a pitcher like Clemens, Maddux, Martinez, Schmidt, Schilling...etc have a good season. But when an unestablished pitcher has a break out 1st half, you can generally speculate that they won't continue that success the 2nd half. Look at Garland and Buerhle (Buerhle is considered to be a very good pitcher, probably just one step up from the likes of a Schilling and Martinez) they had an awesome first half last year and then dropped off in the 2nd off. Look at Garland this year, 5+ ERA, even Buerhle's ERA is in the 4's. The main thing is regardless of whether you duplicate your 1st half performance in the 2nd half, is that you pitch your best ball in the playoffs, and that's what the white sox did along with a timely hit/play here and there. Before I claim that any pitcher is good/great, I want to see at least 2 good seasons, not necessarily judged by win/loss record, but more by ERA & WHIP. With that said...Verlander looks great, he throws the ball extremely hard, but so does Bobby Jenks and I saw him get hit hard a lot last year and occasionally he still gets hit hard. Takes time to develop, Verlander will still have to make changes and develop certain pitches.

 
Yeah he is a very good hitter. I just really wish the rule they would get rid of in the allstar game is that 1 allstar from each team should be represented. I mean it is called a ALLSTAR game for christ sakes. Should be based on the best players in that given season. Not on who has had a awesome career, or someone who is the best pitcher on his team even though he sucks major ***. I mean Mark Redmans stats now and through out his career are a joke. I mean to be honest he isnt even the best pitcher on his team. Stupid rules FTL!
Redman didn't get into the game. Neither did Buerhle, Jenks, or Pierzynski. White sox sent 7 players to the game....Thome, Dye, and Konerko were the only ones to play. Contreras couldn't pitch for obvious reasons. If the game would have been in an AL park, I think Haffner would have been picked by Ozzie.

 
How is it BS? It's normal to see a pitcher like Clemens, Maddux, Martinez, Schmidt, Schilling...etc have a good season. But when an unestablished pitcher has a break out 1st half, you can generally speculate that they won't continue that success the 2nd half. Look at Garland and Buerhle (Buerhle is considered to be a very good pitcher, probably just one step up from the likes of a Schilling and Martinez) they had an awesome first half last year and then dropped off in the 2nd off. Look at Garland this year, 5+ ERA, even Buerhle's ERA is in the 4's. The main thing is regardless of whether you duplicate your 1st half performance in the 2nd half, is that you pitch your best ball in the playoffs, and that's what the white sox did along with a timely hit/play here and there. Before I claim that any pitcher is good/great, I want to see at least 2 good seasons, not necessarily judged by win/loss record, but more by ERA & WHIP. With that said...Verlander looks great, he throws the ball extremely hard, but so does Bobby Jenks and I saw him get hit hard a lot last year and occasionally he still gets hit hard. Takes time to develop, Verlander will still have to make changes and develop certain pitches.

You do have some valid points. I mean Verlander is good, but who knows what next year will be like. I also agree that Garland is way off from last year. Good thing for the offense of the chi sox, cause there pitching isnt very good as of late. They have one pthcher having an outstanding year in Contreas who I think might be hurt right now and a good looking closer in Jenks and a good middle man in Cotts. So besides them guys, the rest of the pitching staff is struggling. I think if they dont get there pitching together then they wont stand a chance against detriot given detriot has a strong 2nd half.

 
Actually our bullpen is better than last year. We have McCarthy and Thornton whom you didn't mention and both of them have been awesome.
It is????

You guys had one of the best bullpens last year besides Cleveland.

Cotts 1.94 era

Pollitte (Who was a monster last year) 2.00

Hermanson 2.04 and 34 saves

Jenks 2.75

Vizcaino 3.73

Marte 3.77

Most of those guys pitched in over 50 games each besides Jenks who was brought up late cause of Hermanson getting hurt

Compared to this year so far.

Cotts 2.95

Jenks 2.83 and a hell of talent

Thorton 3.13

McCarthy 4.25

Pollitte 8.04

I dont see how you can justify you haveing a better bullpen this year, lol! I would much rather have the year before. Really isnt any comparison. I mean there is still half the season left, but so far there bullpen has been nothing compard to last years.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
Thornton > Marte

McCarthy started last year and was good, but now he's in the bullpen

McCarthy > Vizcaino

Hermanson is our only loss, but Jenks is a better closer imo.

Politte was hurt earlier this year. I think he just got off the DL not to long ago.

Also we picked up Riske from Boston. I think our bullpen is better. Numbers might not show it, but imo it is. You also have to remember the starters aren't pitching as many innings so opposing line-ups are seeing our bullpen more often. The more times you see a guy, the better your chance of being successful off him in most cases. I'll dig up some stats later on.

Edit: And remember with a lineup as potent as the White Sox, you aren't always trying to pitch around hitters. When you have a decent lead your job is to let the batter put the ball in play. As opposed to a close game. So it could also be a combination of the White Sox having a 4+ run lead and Ozzie telling the relievers just to pitch to some of the more potent hitters. If you remember last year they played a lot of 1 run games, so the bullpen had to be excellent, this year there is a bigger cushion for error.

 
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