The Evolution of Man Scientifically Disproved

Then no, evolution is not a proven fact.
No it's a proven fact. As in cause and effect.

Where the debate comes in is the PRODUCT of the process of evolution.

How can you explain the FACT that the human being is a creature of the Earth, yet he posesses no mineral elements that are NOT of the Earth. How does that happen. The sum total of all the elements in a human body are worth about $1 commercially at dry chemical weight. Were taking 95% O2, C, and H and hundreds more in small quantities.

Is man nothing more than his chemical body passed in to him from the Earth??

 
According to the Science article,2 in 1977 beak size in the medium ground finch (Geospiza fortis) began to increase due to a drought which lessened the availability of small seeds as a food source. Only the finches with large beaks could break open the large seeds and survive. At that time, G. fortis had no competition for the large seeds. Then in 1982, the large ground finch (G. magnirostris) settled on the same island and because of its large beak size competed with G. fortis for the large seeds. This still was not enough to change the beak size of G. fortis. In 2003 and 2004, drought conditions caused the food supply to decrease, resulting in the death of a large number of G. magnirostris and G. fortis with large beaks. G. magnirostris seemed less able to deal with the drought as its beak size did not change. Possibly it had lost the genetic information to make a smaller beak. G. fortis apparently still had this genetic information and its beak size has declined since the drought, making it better able to compete for the food sources available. (Although this seems contradictory to what occurred in 1977 when the beak size became larger in response to the drought, the Grants do not have an explanation.)

Adaptation/ natural selection has been hijacked and wrongly used by evolutionists as the underlying mechanism of evolution. The Grants were surprised at how rapidly the change in beak size had occurred. Many have extrapolated finch adaptation as evidence that molecules-to-man evolution can occur rapidly. Once again, it’s about defining the word evolution. As creationists, we fully accept the fact that adaptation / natural selection can occur rapidly. In fact, such processes (and perhaps other genetic factors) would have occurred rapidly after the Flood, producing variation within the animal kinds. Such effects are largely responsible for generating the tremendous diversity seen in the living world.3 In addition, as seen with G. magnirostris, natural selection leads to a decrease in genetic information and only those with already-present greater genetic.

This is from a Christian based site! They sugar coat it alot, use lots of disclaimers, but the info's true. Describes the exact process I desribed. Things fit to live do, those that arent' die, animal changes. The ONLY missing piece is that you need a change that makes the 2 species incapable of mating and producing offspring. Which is what actually defines a species. There is no reason why a mutation couldn't cause that.

As far as their comment about evolutionists "hijacking" natural selection. Darwin himself said that natural selection is the primary way in which a species would evolve, even it if wasn't the only way.

Asking for empirical evidence is nice, but wouldn't it be easier to bring up your actual point of contension? Exaclty what part of natural selection/evolution don't you believe in?

 
evolution is the change in the heritable traits of a population over successive generations, as determined by shifts in the allele frequencies of genes.

Hmm, smaller beaks anyone?

Through the course of time, this process results in the origin of new species from existing ones (speciation). All contemporary organisms are related to each other through common descent, the products of cumulative evolutionary changes over billions of years

Again part that isn't totally nailed down. However, if anything that was needed for the animals to reproduce was changed, you'd have a new species. The last sentence can never truly be proven, since we don't have billions of years, at least in what we consider "animals" in a classic sense. In micro-organisms it's been observed, since they don't live nearly as long and stimuli can be controlled much easier.

 
I respectfully disagree. But I am open to what this guy has to say.
Well any working hypothesis has to be nullifiable. So if you are going to set out to prove anything, you must then be able to disprove it. Many mistake the end product of scientific analysis as proof. But it is not. It's just the current best guess....or best working definition...which still has to be nullifiable and repeated. So therefore any proof that you want to see is in the process, not the product. Life does not stop for us to bring it into the lab and start measuring it.

A better question to ask is why is the theory of evolution not complete enough for you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Wait a second. Why has the burden of proof shifted to me? I gave this guy an opportunity to define evolution. All that I said is that evolution, according to his definition, was not a proven fact. He seems to be confident that it is.

His definition contains several assertions. He has not even addressed all of those assertions, let alone shown that each assertion is in fact, a fact.

 
Wait a second. Why has the burden of proof shifted to me? I gave this guy an opportunity to define evolution. All that I said is that evolution, according to his definition, was not a proven fact. He seems to be confident that it is.
His definition contains several assertions. He has not even addressed all of those assertions, let alone shown that each assertion is in fact, a fact.
Because you keep asking for it!!

He did, and you don't agree. Right? Now provide your proof that it doesn't exist and you both can prove that you're right! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
Because you keep asking for it!!
He did, and you don't agree. Right? Now provide your proof that it doesn't exist and you both can prove that you're right! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
Not meaning to be an as s at all, but what you just said didn't make sense to me. Maybe I am getting tired, but what do you mean by "because keep asking for it?" I am not asking for him to repeat his definition, not at all. I am asking for him to show that each asserrtion contained within that definition is fact.

 

 

And no, I think all that he has discussed is that there can be changes within a species. (and perhaps that "mutations" might explain new species).

 

His definition of evolution went far beyond the proposition that changes occur within a species. Why not address the rest of the assertions.

 

Break it down like a fraction for me.

 
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