team nutz - pittsburgh


BreakingBad

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this will be very long to show everyone exactly what happened and the final outcome..

first let me reference a thread on realm of excursion where the majority of the debate went down:

http://forum.realmofexcursion.com/showthread.php?t=29291

as time goes on the thread may be locked, deleted, pictures may not show up.. who knows but right now everything is in place and can be referenced.

let me begin by saying that in sept. of 2006 i had Team Nutz in Pittsburgh, PA do some work for me. i bought two RE Audio SX 12" subs, a US Amps AX1500DE from them and i had them build the box, and install everything. everything went great.. until now.

i had called them to get a quote for 1 18" RE XXX. they quoted me at almost full MSRP ($2,000+). i found it cheaper elsewhere with a warranty included, so i went with the other company instead of them.

i had set up an appointment with them to build me a box (6 cubes @ 35 hz, as RE recommends) and to install a new car battery along with run the wiring to the amp and what not.

first, i was going to put 1,500 watts (ax 1500 de) to the XXX (2,000 W RMS) which both RE and US amps said was plenty, but 2,000 was preferred as its a 2,000 W sub. they assured me 1,500 was fine but if i wanted the full potential of the sub to get a 2,000W (which would of only been what a 3 db increase at most?)

anyway. they built the box, did the install but i was called and informed that "i had no bass. the sub was barely moving" and to me, this was suspicious because at 1,500 watts that thing should be killing the lows and whatnot. anyway i come down, my car was out of the shop, i paid, was told the owner was busy and handed my keys and had really no choice but to leave. i turned the system up, and even at volume 50 (max is 80 on my hu) i had little to no bass.

i at that point was told by team nutz that i needed "more power" to produce any bass what so ever. the owner told me that greg @ us amps said that i need a MINIMUM of 3,000 watts just to have ANY bass what so ever and/or to get the sub to work IN GENERAL. i immediately powered off the HU and kept it off until i made my way back down there to have them check the wiring on the sub.

magically, after them re-doing the wiring in front of me, the bass output increased 10 fold and i had bass. the owner admitted to me it was probably wired backwards or wrong.

people at ROE said the sub was probably out of phase, and that they wired it incorrectly originally, which WAS the issue. from literally no bass to having about 120-140db.. um HUGE DIFFERENCE.

anyway, upon speaking with RE and many other techs i was told that it was wired wrong and it could have possiblity damaged the sub and to get it returned anyway. team nutz' owner told me both voice coils were reading at 2.6, when they should be at 2.1. which wasn't surprising, as when they first installed it he said he "smelled a burning smell and turned it off".

keep in mind this is all available over at ROE in the thread that goes on for 20+ pages..

anyway the owner decided to come on ROE and 'defend' his bad install saying that 1,500 wasnt enough power to have ANY bass what so ever from the sub. he denied wiring it wrong and still won't admit that there was any difference in volume or sq coming from the sub (which.. going from where my rear view wasnt even vibrating to shaking the wall and having customers say holy shit.. yeah HUGE difference)

bottom line is this shop did a shotty install and won't admit up to the mistakes. they also did a crappy ground, which i RE DID and it eliminated almost all problems with the sub (aside from the fact that the vc's still might be damaged).

the owner told me to have the sub warranty replaced and that he cant help me. not even a refund on the install, no apology, nothing. he didn't even review the install with me until i came back complaining.

i will never shop at this place again, and i suggest anyone who knows their shit about car audio / subs do NOT bring your car there.

again this goes more in depth over at ROE, as i don't want to repeat myself 10 fold.

if i didn't have a warranty i might have been screwed out of a two thousand dollar subwoofer.

 

Twistid

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crappy shop! burn the place down!



 

tEh koRnDog

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you like man nutz

 

Nutz

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I highly recommend a seased and desist, as for this is being forward onto my attory for Slander.

 

BreakingBad

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slander? LMAO. good luck with that case buddy, i have 20+ pages of proof to show otherwise.

and this is a REVIEW forum, i REVIEWED your install and you screwed it up, what else is there to say.

and it's cease and desist by the way.

the day freedom of speech is against the law is the day i die. i did nothing but speak the truth and exactly what happened to my vehicle. i made no comments about you or your shop except the fact that they screwed up the install. you are a business. just because my review of your install isn't a positive one doesn't constitute a slander case.

good luck, you'll be spending thousands for no reason.

 

Twistid

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what nuts did was wrong, and now that its posted on a site visited by thousands a day and one of the largest online car audio forums there is , hes crying about it

MAN UP and admit what you did was wrong! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/suicide.gif.a649d21efc0d1fd4890a6428166586c1.gif

 

Nutz

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Anyone that is reading this can find the Truth about Team Nutz at http://www.teamnutztechnology.com

Our resume speaks for its self, don't let one bad apple try to ruin the reputation for a long time awarded business. If the customer would have listened to our recommendations in the first place he would not be in this situation.

Thank you.....

 

BreakingBad

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again, using his "500 awards" defense to defend a bad install on my vehicle.

just because you have awards doesn't make you invincible to mistakes, FYI.

they made a mistake, i have witnesses, i told the truth i have nothing to worry about. and as far as a lawsuit or lawyers are concerned, do what you need to do i got my defense ready and waiting and i WILL win because a slander case will not hold unless i lied to damage your reputation. you wired my equipment incorrectly, now you must deal with the consequences.

 

DumpinTreos

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What was your recommendation to pay retail for the XXX? BTW I think that ground is funny thats something I did on my very first install w/o knowing anything about car audio. We all make mistakes bro but if your installs are so excellent then how come this one is messed up these seem like some noob mistakes, maybe he was mad that he bought the sub at another shop are my thoughts.

 

Thieroff

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Haha, I see those Team Nutz cars all over the place.

I don't mess with shops though, I do all my own installs.

CT

 

bonesninja

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I highly recommend a seased and desist, as for this is being forward onto my attory for Slander.
STFU....if you can't even spell correctly, what makes you think you should own a shop?

good luck with your attory

 

Thieroff

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mainly because its one of two options around here.
Install on your own.

You living down in Castle Shannon/Bethel area?

CT

 

Twistid

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nutz is a straight *****, him or his workers ****ed up an install and wont accept it...

typical of shitty shops, a GOOD shop would admit their error and correct it! how suprising he would rather threaten a bullshit lawsuit!

 

Nutz

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Does matter where he bought the sub, We were paid to build a box, replace a battery under the hood and take a speaker wire and put it on a sub.

This kid reads online that everything in its mother is wrong, from people across the country and things all of a sudden he knows what he is talking about. If he is so smart why didn't he install it himself. Why did the sub play the first time, Why did the sub play the same the second time.

Doesn't matter, his opinion against mine. He thinks we are bad installers, I think he is a bad listener. When I recommend to keep the upgraded alternator and not take it out you and he does it anyway, his voltage dropped. He didn't listen to me.

The ground wire has nothing to do with the sub. Its the same ground wire in the car since august that he admits worked great for eight months.

Now all of a sudden its wired wrong. Sorry, can't agree from a person that goes his short education from a bunch of forum that have people that just want to bash and call me names. Its childish.

We installed the sub once, Installed it again to make sure that it was correct. It left the shop correct, he himself was happy end of store. No need to bash us for trying to keep good customer service.

You can't make everyone help even if you spent a million hours on the car and it was perfect. The customer is just looking for an excuse to justify his decision to go against our recommendations. When in fact our there may be damage to the sub because he chose to listen to uneducated individuals other then ourselves this is what happens and this is what shop managers and owners have to deal with day in and day out. The car worked when it left, was recommended not to use. Our fault for touching the car in the first place I guess. There were wrong.

Our awards to not say anything other than we have a history of winning national awards that most have not. Were not the best, were not the worst, but we have been around the block for sometime and know what were talking about here.

 

BreakingBad

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Does matter where he bought the sub, We were paid to build a box, replace a battery under the hood and take a speaker wire and put it on a sub.
This kid reads online that everything in its mother is wrong, from people across the country and things all of a sudden he knows what he is talking about. If he is so smart why didn't he install it himself. Why did the sub play the first time, Why did the sub play the same the second time.

Doesn't matter, his opinion against mine. He thinks we are bad installers, I think he is a bad listener. When I recommend to keep the upgraded alternator and not take it out you and he does it anyway, his voltage dropped. He didn't listen to me.

The ground wire has nothing to do with the sub. Its the same ground wire in the car since august that he admits worked great for eight months.

Now all of a sudden its wired wrong. Sorry, can't agree from a person that goes his short education from a bunch of forum that have people that just want to bash and call me names. Its childish.

We installed the sub once, Installed it again to make sure that it was correct. It left the shop correct, he himself was happy end of store. No need to bash us for trying to keep good customer service.

You can't make everyone help even if you spent a million hours on the car and it was perfect. The customer is just looking for an excuse to justify his decision to go against our recommendations. When in fact our there may be damage to the sub because he chose to listen to uneducated individuals other then ourselves this is what happens and this is what shop managers and owners have to deal with day in and day out. The car worked when it left, was recommended not to use. Our fault for touching the car in the first place I guess. There were wrong.

Our awards to not say anything other than we have a history of winning national awards that most have not. Were not the best, were not the worst, but we have been around the block for sometime and know what were talking about here.
lmao, you just literally lied you ass off.

first, i have no clue how the ground was before i got there, as in your own words "i didnt double check it".

i dont know where this confusion in your head is ed. you didn't wire it properly, so it didnt play properly and you even told me "we smelled a burning smell coming from the sub". what kind of shit is that? you should of immediately took it out and checked it, but no you were too busy, i was handed my keys and that was that.

i came back complaining, and you guys re-wired the sub apparently the correct way this time, and oh magic i have bass! how are you going to sit here and explain to car enthusiasts that the first time you set it up.. no bass... the second time you re-wire it with me present.. OH BASS! YOU WIRED IT WRONG. my god dude, get over yourself and your company.

i could care less if you were west coast customs themselves, fact of the matter is is you are disguising the truth, i spoke the truth now you got your panties in a bunch.

putting 1,500W on a 2,000W sub will not damage it if setup correctly. you shouldn't be installing subs if you believe it will damage it.

i have enough knowledge to get me by and thats it, and you calling me stupid can technically be considered slander under your own standards. should i sue you now too?

 

BreakingBad

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and also, explain to me how i'm a bad listener because i didnt want to put 3,000 watts on the XXX (2,000 watts)?

we're ALL still waiting for the explanation on that one.

and also, you are again degrading people who post on forums. most of these guys have knowledge WAY past yours. just because they didnt open a shop and put subs and rims on a truck doesn't make their information non-credible.

the guys on ROE proved you wrong 10 times over on many issues, and you still skirted the issues and lied and lied and lied. that's not my problem.

you already lost a customer, and you will continue to lose customers if you install any more cars like you did mine.

 

bonesninja

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personally.....i'm more apt to give my money to a shop that can admit and fix when they've done wrong than one who claims that they never make a mistake. EVERY shop makes mistakes....its how you handle the situation that defines a REAL shop.

 

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