TC Sounds Enclosure Specs Released

[Astyl 10+ year member]

im just wanting a X.X cft box tuned @ 35 hz for a 15" TC-3000

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

I decided not to do ported configs to the 3K for the simple reason that any port that would make sense from a SQ stand point would not make sense. The port area would have to be at least 25" inches for a TC-3000 and that is a minimum because of the amount of air it moves.
OK variable two: because the motor is powerful and the Q is very low, a larger box yields no benefits over a smaller box even for a ported configuration. Most drivers are not lucky enough to reek that benefit. This is actually very ideal for car audio. You guys are lucky because you can build these things into tiny boxes with enormous output.

The porting length required to get any sort of benefits from a port from a sound quality standpoint would force the length of the ports to nearly 40" even 80" in some cases. You can't build any kind of box if you need a 40" port in there for your car. Of course you can just choose a higher port frequency, but you'll have a huge peak in your frequency response and it will sound bad. WELL it may be desirable, but I firmly believe in linear sound because I come from a home audio background. Trust me, linear bass is a REALLY good thing.

Ok, so does that mean you can't port it? Not at all, TC-3000 will generate huge output benefits from a ported box, as long as you can do it right, I felt that PR’s were a much more effect method of gaining these output benefits and ultimately they should be the method used for this driver and our larger ones too simply because you really don’t want to see what kind of box it would have to do in, it just means when you port it, you either comprise quality, or your end up with this:

http://www.tcsounds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=172

That will work for HT, and I’m certain that would rival every HT subwoofer every developed, however, it’s HUGE! This beast is an HT sub designed for dual 15TC-3000 ported and to accommodate the long port required for the 75 square inches of port area, the box had to be 14 cubic feet. That will not fit in your car, or truck, trust me. We could make this same subwoofer with PR’s less than one third the size of that with almost no loss in output. So now you see the advantage of the PR’s

PR's are actually better than ports in many respects. On average, they are about 1dB less efficient access the frequency bandwidth, but that’s almost inaudible. The PR's don't require the long port and they can eliminate many problems that ports have such as air noise. Most car audio subs that are ported are not flared, secondly the ports are rarely long enough to lend towards linear output. The PR's only need to be weighted to lower the tuning frequency.

We'll have the PR's up for sale shortly.

Now, next topic. If SPL is your fancy and you do either dB drag or what not, the TC-3000’s are actually pretty good for this because they don’t require a large box you can just use a small port at the resonance frequency of your car (80hz, 50hz 60hz.. whatever) and the box really doest have to be that large to get maximum output. So if size is a constraint for your contest, the TC-3000’s are versatile in that regard. But if you do this, and port it for maximum output at once frequency.

So to sum it up:

Good daily driers: So sealed with 2000 watts / driver

If you want a loud daily driver, go passive with 2000 watts / driver

If you do competition, port it at a high frequency like the resonance of your car and use the size of the box recommend for a passive config. IE: if the passives call for 3.5 cubic feet, make your ported design 3.5 cubic feet + the port volume. DO NOT DO THAT unless this is for dB drag.

thanks

You crazy guys are your PERFECTLY flat response boxes.

I don't enjoy a flat system, I enjoy what sounds best to my ears. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Like you stated you enjoy flat.

BUT, 25 sq. in. of port is NOT a big deal.

My ported enclosure for a 15" in my truck right now is 4.5cubes tuned to 32hz with 90 sq. in. of port... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

If I was going with the TC3000, i'd prolly tune more like 28hz.

nG

 

[Remotia 10+ year member]

im just wanting a X.X cft box tuned @ 35 hz for a 15" TC-3000

If you want a 10dB peak at 35hz, I'll tune it there for ya. Is that what you want?

You dont even need my advice for this, port tuning has nothing to do with the driver, just box volume and port length and width.

the 15TC-3000 will work in anything larger than 3 cubic feet very well, as long as your box is at least that big port it to whatever you like.

 

[jtj5002 10+ year member]

"Passive 0.6ft3 2x 10" PR's "

one huge 10" and 2x 10" PR in a can fit in a 0.6 cuft?

 

[bamaboy 5,000+ posts]

i want to do 4 12" 3000s or 2 15s tuned to 30hz in 8cubes net, but im poor //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

ouch it would come to 1500$$ even //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

would you cut a deal if i order 4 kyle? or something along those lines, discount shipping?

 

[Remotia 10+ year member]

Two 15LMS-5400's in with two 15" PR's tuned to 20hz in 6 cubic feet.

you would have a slaming SQ system with more output than the MT's

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

Two 15LMS-5400's in with two 15" PR's tuned to 20hz in 6 cubic feet.
you would have a slaming SQ system with more output than the MT's

That would be insane....

 

[SQBubble 10+ year member]

I have a feeling that TC Sound will live the hype for a long time, very long time!

 

[Astyl 10+ year member]

If you want a 10dB peak at 35hz, I'll tune it there for ya. Is that what you want?
You dont even need my advice for this, port tuning has nothing to do with the driver, just box volume and port length and width.

the 15TC-3000 will work in anything larger than 3 cubic feet very well, as long as your box is at least that big port it to whatever you like.

the only reason i said 35 hz is because thats what the average person uses to slam the majority of songs, both above and below 35 hz

You say anything bigger then 3 cubes is good? So whats do you think about a 4 cube box @ 35 hz.. would 4 cubes ported be a good fit for a 15" TC-3000 or would i need bigger

also i know that your a big SQ guy and beleive in linear response.. im more oriented into SPL and the only reason im even looking into the TC-3000 is because its supost to have more output then the 15" L7 and 15" R in generally the same price range

My view on SQ is, if it sounds as good as a L7, its good enough for me.. im a bass head SPL freak.. SQ is second

 

[bamaboy 5,000+ posts]

Two 15LMS-5400's in with two 15" PR's tuned to 20hz in 6 cubic feet.
you would have a slaming SQ system with more output than the MT's

arnt they like 4000rms //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

and alot of money //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

im poor

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

Two 15LMS-5400's in with two 15" PR's tuned to 20hz in 6 cubic feet.
you would have a slaming SQ system with more output than the MT's

Not being a dick...but thats a bold statement.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Eh, no comment.

nG

 

[coolahan 10+ year member]

Eh, no comment.
nG

you crack me up with ur responses... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif