Swirls and haze on the body, please help

[BringDaBoom 10+ year member]

Ok guys...This my last resort. I gotta get some input on this.

I'm pretty good at detailing cars. I preffer the old fashion elbow grease method, only using machine buffers when having to do rubbing compound and realy clean the paint before a wax and polish job.

I got a black Lincoln LS (See sig.) I wash it sparingly because I maintain it daily or when needed by dusting it and touching it up with Ultimate Quick detailer. Only after hard rains and driving on wet roads and it gets filthy will I wash it.

After polishing and detialing....no matter what use as polish or detailer and as a cloth...when the sunlight hits it a certain way (usually dead on to a slight angle) you see a haze in some spots and lots of swirls.

I've bought swirl remover microfiber cloths to use once the car is all done and dry. The quick detailer I use is the new Meguiars Ultimate Quick detailer that says it doesn't leave swirls or streaks. I even got Nu Finish Doctor Scratch and have applied it (since swirls and haze are in fact micro scratches) and it helps on the bigger scratches real well but there are still light swirls and the haze in some spots doesn't go away at all no matter what.

I've been meaning to purchase Nu Finish car polish and just did today (been using this stuff toy years, best shine out there.) in hopes that after a nice wash and dry tomorrow I can apply it and will help some.

It's a 2004 and the paint is good shape. I don't get alot of oxidation at all when detailing. The paint is pretty solid and in good condition.

Here is my routine:

1.)wash and dry

2.)Dr. Sractch on the areas with most swirls and haze

3.)Apply Ultimate Quick Detailer...now, instead I'll apply Nu Finish car polish

4.)wipe entire car with Meguiars ultimate detailer microfiber cloth.

5.)Maintain daily or as needed with Ultimate Quick detailer (need suggestion on what to use to apply. Currently using Scott blue shop towels.)

Help me out guys. Can't stand seeing the Haze and swirls.

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[MyFartsStink 10+ year member]

buff harder

 

[BringDaBoom 10+ year member]

buff harder

I'm buffing as hard as I can. The swirls and haze were there even after I had the car machine buffed back in Dec. I used the ultimate quick detailer and microfiber towel afterwards and it helped some, but they are still there.

Also, it only appears along the sides of the car. The hood, trunk and quarters doesn't have it. Only the doors, and little bit on the top of the fron fenders but as much as the doors.

 

[packerfan 10+ year member]

high speed buffer (non orbital) and a light cutting pad and some light cutting glaze....take it to a detailer and if you dont trust yourself, you can ruin a paint job pretty quick with a high speed.

 

[BringDaBoom 10+ year member]

high speed buffer (non orbital) and a light cutting pad and some light cutting glaze....take it to a detailer and if you dont trust yourself, you can ruin a paint job pretty quick with a high speed.

Ok. Thanks alot I appreciate it. And approximately how long will that last? If I do that, what should I do for maintainance so that it's swirl/haze free for as long as possible.

I appreciate it.

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

use a cinder block.

 

[J31Rob 5,000+ posts]

& spit.

 

[BringDaBoom 10+ year member]

I think I may have found the culprit. I called a couple high profile detail places here. The damage has been done and the only way I think to get rid of it completely is to get the clear re-sprayed on it.

To apply the quick detailer and Dr. Scratch, I've been using a cloth that is a bit to abbrassive. I'm gonna use the Dr. Scratch scratch remover hard with a wax applicator then hit it with the Nu Finish with the same type applicator, and remove them with a 100% terry cloth. Hpefully that will help some.

I was planning on re-spraying the car eventually once I get a place with a garage. Not worth it since it's kept outside. So in the meantime I'll do what I can.

Thanks

 

[Silver 10+ year member]

When I detailed my moms explorer I had the same problem. When It hit the sun swirl marks were bad.

What I did to get it out.

I used some heavy cut cleaner with a schalagle (SP)

Used a cutting pad with some meguiars color x

used another cutting pad with some lighter grit cleaner

used a polishing pad with some polish

wax

washed

sprayed with final inspection.

(all meguiars products used).

it worked great and made a wet look. mom was very happy.

but if your not good with a buffer, like a post said above. take it to a professional and get advice.

 

[BuckyBoy 10+ year member]

Claybar. Not sure if it will get rid of the swirls and such, but it will get all the little defects in your clear out.

I used it for the first time a couple months ago and it works really well.

 

[btdickey99 5,000+ posts]

I would try a product called first place finish....we sell it here at the dealership and is suppose to block from a lot and even cover up some scratches....I say use this bc it comes with a 3 yr warranty

 

[clbolt 10+ year member]

My guess would have been heavy wear to the clear. If you have a professional work the paint, and it doesn't change the appearance of the problem areas, there's probably an issue with the paint. It could have been spot painted, but that's impossible to tell without seeing it in person.

The term Professional Detailer doesn't mean a lot these days. I've watched a couple of local guys here, and they both leaned on the paint with a Craftsman sander/polisher. Those turn at twice the speed you should use on paint, and even if you're good, you will burn the paint. I have a Craftsman professional polisher from the 50's, and it turns 1800RPM, which used to be the ideal speed. These days I use my judgment and feather the trigger to regulate the speed.

BTW, don't ever rule out spot work or even panel painting, even if you bought the car new and watched it roll off the transport. I spent years working for a dealership, and it's amazing how many new cars arrived with damage, or with bad paint reworks from the distributor.

I've been detailing cars for years, and have never found anything labeled "micrifiber" that didn't leave scratches on a black paint job. As far as what to use with the quick detailer, ditch the paper shop towels. Buy yourself a quantity of virgin (unused) terrycloth towels, wash them in hot water before you use them, and do not use fabric softener when you dry them. Never use them for anything else. That, and if you're using the quick detailer on a dusty car, you're adding haze to the paint. Make a quick trip over the car with a duster before you hit it with the detailer.

 

[BringDaBoom 10+ year member]

My guess would have been heavy wear to the clear. If you have a professional work the paint, and it doesn't change the appearance of the problem areas, there's probably an issue with the paint. It could have been spot painted, but that's impossible to tell without seeing it in person.
The term Professional Detailer doesn't mean a lot these days. I've watched a couple of local guys here, and they both leaned on the paint with a Craftsman sander/polisher. Those turn at twice the speed you should use on paint, and even if you're good, you will burn the paint. I have a Craftsman professional polisher from the 50's, and it turns 1800RPM, which used to be the ideal speed. These days I use my judgment and feather the trigger to regulate the speed.

BTW, don't ever rule out spot work or even panel painting, even if you bought the car new and watched it roll off the transport. I spent years working for a dealership, and it's amazing how many new cars arrived with damage, or with bad paint reworks from the distributor.

I've been detailing cars for years, and have never found anything labeled "micrifiber" that didn't leave scratches on a black paint job. As far as what to use with the quick detailer, ditch the paper shop towels. Buy yourself a quantity of virgin (unused) terrycloth towels, wash them in hot water before you use them, and do not use fabric softener when you dry them. Never use them for anything else. That, and if you're using the quick detailer on a dusty car, you're adding haze to the paint. Make a quick trip over the car with a duster before you hit it with the detailer.

Wow. Thanks. Yeah, that's what a couple detail places here have said. They both recommended getting the car color sanded and resprayed with clear. But Like I said, it's not garage kept and I don't want to do that unless It's gonna be housed. Not worth it with the elements beating on it.

I do dust it before any quick detailer. And I only use the Microfiber detailing cloth after it's all done. To get out any left over. It works good.

I will use the terry cloths with the quick detailer from now on. In the mean time, do you think hitting the swirl/haze areas with the Dr. Scratch and then The Nu Finish polish WITH THE RIGHT NON ABRASIVE APPLICATORS (Wax applicators and Terry Towels) will allieviate(sp) the problem or is clay work/respray gonna be the only way to fix it?

 

[Kevinn 10+ year member]

Did you try paint cleaner...... Mcguires.....

 

[ShiningBuick 10+ year member]

You haven't managed to buff through the clear or anything, did you?