SQ..what is it?

[hornedfrog1985 5,000+ posts]

IMO of course this is what sucks about "true" SQ, your favorite bad is recorded so badly you cannot listen to it in your SQ car. Nickelback needs to get a better engineer!

It wasn't recorded so badly. Go back and read smart ***. They wanted it to sound distorted and they even say so. By your own definition of SQ that is SQ to listen to their distorted garbage. Must be fun listening to 1-2 cds that actually don't distort on your stereo, and being able to fart louder than the front stage. When you decide the Celine Dion cd isn't for you anymore maybe you will get it.

 

[MegaloJntariac 10+ year member]

I will be more than happy to explain my statement...care to explain yours?

I thinks horns should stay out of the car altogether. Horns,specifically for tweeter point of view, were designed to disperse wide and get loud. Wide dispersion + getting loud with horns is not a combo imo for cars. You'll get lots of radiating sound flying all over the place and really start to hear 3rd order distortion, especially if your dash is not very symmetrical. You never had a ringing sensation after listening to a horn setup in a car?

What about tonal issues? Things always sounded hollow and empty. No wonder beefy midbass's are required(drowning out that sensation lol). Another peeve is the lack of stage height and depth when using them. Maybe with some tuning you can fix the depth issue but requires way too much tuning.

To me the end results werent as satisfying compared to a decent tweeter that you can mount virtually anywhere due to the size of tweeters.

Dont even get me started on ribbon tweeters and planars. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

edit: Nickelback is lumberjack music just like Creed lately ive been jammin on Buckethead

 

[MegaloJntariac 10+ year member]

It wasn't recorded so badly. Go back and read smart ***. They wanted it to sound distorted and they even say so. By your own definition of SQ that is SQ to listen to their distorted garbage. Must be fun listening to 1-2 cds that actually don't distort on your stereo, and being able to fart louder than the front stage. When you decide the Celine Dion cd isn't for you anymore maybe you will get it.

They probably just said for "damage control" with the press. Nobody wants a brick walled cd

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

I thinks horns should stay out of the car altogether. Horns,specifically for tweeter point of view, were designed to disperse wide and get loud. Wide dispersion + getting loud with horns is not a combo imo for cars. You'll get lots of radiating sound flying all over the place and really start to hear 3rd order distortion, especially if your dash is not very symmetrical. You never had a ringing sensation after listening to a horn setup in a car?
What about tonal issues? Things always sounded hollow and empty. No wonder beefy midbass's are required(drowning out that sensation lol). Another peeve is the lack of stage height and depth when using them. Maybe with some tuning you can fix the depth issue but requires way too much tuning.

To me the end results werent as satisfying compared to a decent tweeter that you can mount virtually anywhere due to the size of tweeters.

Joo don't know teh Ess Que //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

I didn't say it wasn't. I just wouldn't want to listen to it like that, because it sounds like shit. So, if you like your music to sound like shit then so be it. Have all the terrible sounding "SQ" you want.

Wow, so then that's a LOT of music. "Rock" music itself can loosely be defined by the presence of a distorted guitar. Flush all Hendrix's music down the drain, for starters. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

Just because it's distorted, doesn't mean it's shit or low fidelity. See the explanation of timbre posted earlier.

If you're speaking of brick-walled recordings and the like, then yes that's never going to sound "good" during playback as the recording is garbage. Death Magnetic, for ex, is actually missing music that would normally otherwise be present due to blasting it OVER the wall.

 

[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

Joo don't know teh Ess Que //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

Yeap, he's like the biggest eSssQUU faker evAr. Mr SQ my foot! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

Mir you need to plop some small format domes into that poly panel if you want to retain that self-appreciating title of yours, yo. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

Oh and my car is way more SQ than any of you wankers here because I said so, it's my opinion, and it's my subjection on all my sounds. Don't fight or argue. Accept these truths I say as they are self-evident. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[MegaloJntariac 10+ year member]

Yeap, he's like the biggest eSssQUU faker evAr. Mr SQ my foot! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
Mir you need to plop some small format domes into that poly panel if you want to retain that self-appreciating title of yours, yo. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

Just remember, I'm 3 Octaves lower than you //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I didn't say it wasn't. I just wouldn't want to listen to it like that, because it sounds like shit.

Then blame the band, not the system. Again, I cant believe this is such a difficult concept to grasp. Personal preference is not the same as accuracy.

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

It wasn't recorded so badly. Go back and read smart ***. They wanted it to sound distorted and they even say so. By your own definition of SQ that is SQ to listen to their distorted garbage. Must be fun listening to 1-2 cds that actually don't distort on your stereo, and being able to fart louder than the front stage. When you decide the Celine Dion cd isn't for you anymore maybe you will get it.

#1 I am not a smartass. Never try to be. Where in this post did I act like a smart ***? I will agree Nickleback DID INDEED distrot the recording. Humans sense distrortion as "loudness", there is no doubt about that. Nickleback is one of those music genres meant to be played loud....too bad they dont have a well recorded version that I could play loud with my system that wasnt clipped on the bottom end and compressed up top.

As far as being able to fart louder than my front stage...NO ONE has sat in my car and has said they needed more volume. A 900wrms front stage leaves alot of volume to be had.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

Personal preference is not the same as accuracy.

I would personally prefer if you STFU. Is that accurate enough for you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I kid, I kid. I haven't read most of this thread now, so I'm mainly just trolling.

Maybe I should go back and read and try to contribute something useful //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

*brb*

 

[atsaubrey 10+ year member]

I thinks horns should stay out of the car altogether. Horns,specifically for tweeter point of view, were designed to disperse wide and get loud. Wide dispersion + getting loud with horns is not a combo imo for cars. You'll get lots of radiating sound flying all over the place and really start to hear 3rd order distortion, especially if your dash is not very symmetrical. You never had a ringing sensation after listening to a horn setup in a car?
What about tonal issues? Things always sounded hollow and empty. No wonder beefy midbass's are required(drowning out that sensation lol). Another peeve is the lack of stage height and depth when using them. Maybe with some tuning you can fix the depth issue but requires way too much tuning.

To me the end results werent as satisfying compared to a decent tweeter that you can mount virtually anywhere due to the size of tweeters.

Dont even get me started on ribbon tweeters and planars. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

edit: Nickelback is lumberjack music just like Creed lately ive been jammin on Buckethead

Megalo, I followed your You Tube posts when you first got your horns and I feel for you not being able to ge tthem to work in your setup...the Hondas are prime cars for horns. I will say I have never had the "ringing" you talk about, tonally I think most would agree that my car is quite tonally balanced. I will agree that stage height can be an issue but that has more to do with phasing and xover points than anything else. I dont thing it is any different than a kickpanel setup, minus the dreaded rainbow effect (highly minimized with horns). I dont understand your point with horns being used as "tweeters" and the dispersion. Remember, horns were first used in cars to equalize path length differences. Also remember the key word, HLCD (horn loaded compression driver) as in CONTROLLED dispersion. Can a less then symetrical dash effect the dispersion negatively? Sure. Are ALL cars canidates for horns...no of course not. Can cars with the ability to fit horns properly able to sound really really good....yup. My own personaly competition car is less than ideal but I think most would agree it performs pretty dang well. Let's face a reality, where ever we choose to mount our drivers, we pick a battle. If we choose kick panels we deal with "rainbow effects and stage height issues along with other things. If we do tweets in the pillar or pods with tweets and or mids there we have to try and deal with the reflection issues and stage compression. If we do horns, we deal with height issues. I picked my battle and so far have been sucessful. Wouldnt you agree? Obviously I am not trying to steer anyone in any direction, just making the point of "battle choices".

thought I might add your stage depth point is not correct IMO. My car after tuning is now beyond the boundries of the car.

 

[Ctesibius 10+ year member]

SQ is absolute accuracy to some and personal preference to others. I would agree that SQ could only be objectively defined by absolute accuracy; Proper timbre, tonality and staging and imaging (two different things). Properly revealing low level details, no artificial "coloring", etc. That is really the only real definition that can exist. But not everyone is worried about the finer details as long as it "sounds good to them", and to these people that qualifies as "SQ".

Frankly, I fall into a bit of both. There are some times and some music I want to listen to my system while it is sounding as "close to real" as possible. There are other times I just want to rock out to my favorite music and get caught up in it without worrying about the little imperfections that exist between it and absolute accuracy as long as the sound still falls within my personal realm of "still sounds great". These are the times I most enjoy because I'm focusing on the music rather than the system.

Of course, it's always great when the two definitions line up so perfectly that they combine into one and the music just comes alive. But not all recordings allow for this level of nirvana.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

SQ is absolute accuracy to some and personal preference to others. I would agree that SQ could only be objectively defined by absolute accuracy; Proper timbre, tonality and staging and imaging (two different things). Properly revealing low level details, no artificial "coloring", etc. That is really the only real definition that can exist. But not everyone is worried about the finer details as long as it "sounds good to them", and to these people that qualifies as "SQ".
Frankly, I fall into a bit of both. There are some times and some music I want to listen to my system while it is sounding as "close to real" as possible. There are other times I just want to rock out to my favorite music and get caught up in it without worrying about the little imperfections that exist between it and absolute accuracy as long as the sound still falls within my personal realm of "still sounds great". These are the times I most enjoy because I'm focusing on the music rather than the system.

Of course, it's always great when the two definitions line up so perfectly that they combine into one and the music just comes alive. But not all recordings allow for this level of nirvana.

Oh hey, SQ is accuracy to some and personal preference to others... who knew. What a bunch of self-contradictory nonsense. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif My favorite part was when you said "that is really the only real definition that can exist" and then went on to attempt to reinforce a second, self serving subjective definition.
This is why I hate these discussions, so few truly care to learn and understand the topic, yet everyone thinks they are an expert. The people arguing "SQ" is subjective are the very same people creating threads laughing at the kid down the street who builds his first system out of WalMart bullet tweeters and no-name subwoofers. If SQ was truly subjective, nobody would ever strive for improvement other than more intensity, which is obviously not the case. The 'SQ is subjective' crowd lives in a self-perpetuating lie that they somehow define what the 'quality' of their music is, depending on their mood, their personal system, and their ability to understand the nuances of the hobby. Someone like this, who claims to feel both sides are right, in reality doesn't really understand either point of view.

We should all STFU before we give the trolls more ammunition to try and sound smart.

 

[Alpine4life89 10+ year member]

who cares. Just make it sound good to you. None of this really matters at all.

BTW, alot of metal cds sound like crap, i can never get them to sound good on my system.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

who cares. Just make it sound good to you. None of this really matters at all.

All our answers are subjective, its all about how good they sound to me.