Sound Quality: The Sealed/Ported misconception

[Below 30 10+ year member]

See mang, your talking books, I'm talking audio. Does the book play music, is the book ported and/or sealed. I'm talking about practicle facts, not equations from some novel.

This is why you didn't read the start of the thread to understand what I was saying. You noticed "He didn't read the book, so he's wrong". I'm talking facts as a Tumultx2 and RFD2215x2 owner, with a 15 cubic internal box vented and ported, powered by a 1000w (2ohms, 1ohm stable with Tumult in parallel) Peavey PA amp. Thats why I find it funny how people riding your trian, cause you read a book and I know from hard facts, what I'm talking about.

People didn't believe in Einstein at first, until it was way past due. People are scared to accept changes in popular beliefs, when presented a different view. Even when backed with real practicle facts. Your known around here, you think I'm surprised that everyone is riding your train, no.

It will just be them looking foolish, telling people how sealed is SQ and look like a fool. Thats why you have so many people claim they like Rock and rap at the same time, they think they are supposed to fear the true -boom- sound from rap. So they go sealed, hear how lackluster rap is without it and just turn to alternative music.

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

So basically you people believe that sealed enlosures are the best, because one man used a dictionary to write a post. Non of you will explain why a sealed struggles to play wave bass, yet carry on like sealed is end-all.
Foolish talk about this silly sealed = SQ. Thats elementry train of thought. Some highly respected member of audio decades ago, was probably at a cocktail party and just said "You know, sealed is the best SQ, because I say so". Then everyone just said "Ya he's right, sure sealed doesn't play the low end the way music producers intend, but he must be right". Notice in music studios, producers use ported/vented speakers (But I guess you guys know more than music producers).

It's funny to see you guys talk yang, just admit that your hurt that vented does more justice for low-end and stop your dictionary foolishness. It's a good thing you guys don't have anything to do with PA and home and car SPL. Audio would be dull and dead if that was the case. Sealed is a just a woofer -deadening- enclosure for people who can't handle 808 bass.

The fact that you believe that because sealed has a airspring is the reason it has "tighter" bass just emits the fact that you are a moron with no comprehension of acoustics at all...

You know nothing about original recording intent, because you have yet to mention any source material worthy of being mentioned as sound quality oriented. You are just one of those often irritating specs of life with a half-grasp on basic physics and thinks you are pioneering something - when in reality all you are doing is blindly wandering through your own dribble and ignoring basic physics, acoustics, and documeted research that's been done by people more experienced than you, have more knowledge than you, and know more about acoustics than you'll likely ever know given what you've been saying in this thread so far.

I think that sums it up for me.

 

[CELLERBR 10+ year member]

See mang, your talking books, I'm talking audio. Does the book play music, is the book ported and/or sealed. I'm talking about practicle facts, not equations from some novel.
This is why you didn't read the start of the thread to understand what I was saying. You noticed "He didn't read the book, so he's wrong". I'm talking facts as a Tumultx2 and RFD2215x2 owner, with a 15 cubic internal box vented and ported, powered by a 1000w (2ohms, 1ohm stable with Tumult in parallel) Peavey PA amp. Thats why I find it funny how people riding your trian, cause you read a book and I know from hard facts, what I'm talking about.

People didn't believe in Einstein at first, until it was way past due. People are scared to accept changes in popular beliefs, when presented a different view. Even when backed with real practicle facts. Your known around here, you think I'm surprised that everyone is riding your train, no.

It will just be them looking foolish, telling people how sealed is SQ and look like a fool. Thats why you have so many people claim they like Rock and rap at the same time, they think they are supposed to fear the true -boom- sound from rap. So they go sealed, hear how lackluster rap is without it and just turn to alternative music.

You keep refering to rap.....And it's "boom" which takes a ported box to utilize. Ironicly you refer to rap and "boomy" bass while talking about SQ...This alon shows me you dont know what you are talking about...I can remember my last SQ comp...Where i ahh'ed the judges with my Lil John CD.......LOL....Rap/boomy bass are nowhere near associated with SQ in my book. Or well since you dont like books, in my "EXPERIENCE". You would have to tune a ported box to like 10hz to get it to play as low and flat as a sealed enclosure. But then what would be the point of going ported if you are tunign that low...not to mentiont the port would be like a mile and a half long...Bottom line is your pathetic attempt to go against the grain and whoo others into thinking the same isnt working and you look dumber everytime you post...

Peace,

Ian

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

So basically you people believe that sealed enlosures are the best, because one man used a dictionary to write a post. Non of you will explain why a sealed struggles to play wave bass, yet carry on like sealed is end-all.

First, and I have been holding off on this question for a while, WTF is WAVE BASS? All sound is waves. Tight kick drum bass is a wave. Fart sounding bass is a wave. The crash of a symbal is a wave.

Foolish talk about this silly sealed = SQ. Thats elementry train of thought. Some highly respected member of audio decades ago, was probably at a cocktail party and just said "You know, sealed is the best SQ, because I say so". Then everyone just said "Ya he's right, sure sealed doesn't play the low end the way music producers intend, but he must be right". Notice in music studios, producers use ported/vented speakers (But I guess you guys know more than music producers).

Were you in the recording studio reading the mind of the producer when he recorded the album? How do you know what he intended then? A studio uses a ported woofer system because they are working in a very large room when compared to the interior of a car. To get reasonable low end extension in a large space (relatively speaking) ported is the way to go. That does not make it more accurate. The only record we have of the intention of the producer at the time of the recording is *OMG* the recording. If the low frequencies on the recording are exaggerated and muddy, then rest assured that a properly designed sealed system can reproduce them in all their flacidness in the car environment. They will sound as they sound on the recording, nothing more, nothing less. It sounds as if you think that the enclosure and sub should add sound that just isn't there. THIS IS NOT SQ. It may fit your idea of good sound, but it also appears that your idea of good sound is measured in dB.

It's funny to see you guys talk yang, just admit that your hurt that vented does more justice for low-end and stop your dictionary foolishness. It's a good thing you guys don't have anything to do with PA and home and car SPL. Audio would be dull and dead if that was the case. Sealed is a just a woofer -deadening- enclosure for people who can't handle 808 bass.

The only "yang" here is coming from you. You have no clue what you are talking about and have hit rock bottom, began to dig and gone back and gotten a bigger shovel.

We know about application specificity. For a pure, accurate sound quality system in a car, a sealed enclosure is almost without exception the best solution. If I needed to fill a stadium with sound, especially for live music, I would use a ported enclosure. Now if I wanted a accurate recreation of that concert in my car I would go with a sealed enclosure and play a recording of that concert. If the recording is worth the disc it was put on then my sealed sub will recreate it properly. Just because the orginal music was played through ported speakers at the time of recording doesn't mean that I need ported speakers to replay it accurately.

A lot of the people calling you out ARE involved in car SPL! That is a totally different application. A pure SPL application with virtually unlimited power uses a vented enclosure. Why? Because the vented enclosure RESTRICTS the cone movement more at resonance and allows more power to be dumped into the sub. It also requires more power to get the sub to its excursion limits and to eek more output from it. It's really a good thing you aren't in the car SPL business. Ask anybody who is in the SPL business how their SPL system sounds with music. Their honest answer will be "Like $hit." Quantity is not quality.

I'm not at all hurt that you disagree with physics and continue to prattle on with your uneducated drivel. I just want to see what BS you come back with. It keeps me entertained.

 

[Below 30 10+ year member]

First off to the green gremlin who used the word moron, your a fabulous Jackass. The next poster, I guess your SQ judges know more about music than the people who produce the actual tracks. Yes, judges know how a music track should sound, not the guy behind the production board with his ported monitors.

You guys follow fashion like lemmings off a cliff and may never get it. I don't care about some judge. Tell me why a sealed struggles to reproduce the -boom- if it isn't the sealed suspension. You people can never tell me, so what do you got. I bring up points and prove them and you guys just gather in numbers and follow the guy who read a book. I'll tell you something, only one of you actually probably read the first post, then the rest of you just jumped on his opinion.

Go back to school, learn how to read an entire post, then you will sound more intelligent in reply. You people keep your sealed boxes and keep talking about how you like Rock and Rap at the same time and claim you know SQ. Its like someone say they like **** stars and is very religious at the same time.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

This thread is interesting and enteraining. I'm getting some great info. Go on! Continue.

 

[CELLERBR 10+ year member]

First off to the green gremlin who used the word moron, your a fabulous Jackass. The next poster, I guess your SQ judges know more about music than the people who produce the actual tracks. Yes, judges know how a music track should sound, not the guy behind the production board with his ported monitors.
You guys follow fashion like lemmings off a cliff and may never get it. I don't care about some judge. Tell me why a sealed struggles to reproduce the -boom- if it isn't the sealed suspension. You people can never tell me, so what do you got. I bring up points and prove them and you guys just gather in numbers and follow the guy who read a book. I'll tell you something, only one of you actually probably read the first post, then the rest of you just jumped on his opinion.

Go back to school, learn how to read an entire post, then you will sound more intelligent in reply. You people keep your sealed boxes and keep talking about how you like Rock and Rap at the same time and claim you know SQ. Its like someone say they like **** stars and is very religious at the same time.

How can you possibly believe what you type.....You keep talking about reproduction of Boom.....I am going to put it bluntly THERE SHOULD BE NO BOOM TO REPRODUCE unless you are listening to rap and then i would hardly think you are worried abou SQ....Have you ever.....EVER heard a kick drum in real life???? There is no "BOOM" to reproduce from it....it is tight and accurate if not then double kicks would be virtually impossible...Have you ever heard a bass guitar in real life?? No "boom" here either....If so I would find it rather hard to play a quick bass scale...So in anything but rap and synthetic beats there should be no "boom" if there is you have left the realm of SQ..Your rants are pathetic as are your moot points. If ported is so high and mighty why is it that in an SQ install your components are in a sealed enclosure for tighter response and better midbass?

 

[Below 30 10+ year member]

See how you prove your lack of full-post reading. You contradicted yourself. I said I was talking about rap from the first post. So where are you now. How do you fit into this conversation when you don't even know where you are.

Another contradiction on you, a vented box will reproduce a tight kick drum as a tight kick drum. I was talking about subs from the start, where you going with components. Why would anyone waste time making a ported box for a tweeter or midrange. Again, where are you, whats your status. Form your own opinions and stop riding the leader. You didn't read my first post, so go back to bed.

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

We are forming our own opinions.

The general opinion that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Sort of like you like vented boxes, not ported. Like there is a difference...

Like claiming the sealed enclosure doesn't reproduce boomy bass...

You know nothing of the mechanics of a speaker, or how it reproduces anything. You certainly don't know what accuracte sounding music is or how to reproduce it - if you did, you wouldn't be saying half of the deluded things you are saying now.

I think it's about time you put your video games away and started to wake up into reality.

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

See mang

Does daddy know you are using his computer?

your talking books, I'm talking audio. Does the book play music, is the book ported and/or sealed. I'm talking about practicle facts, not equations from some novel.

For this rot coming from your keyboard to be considered fact, you would have to be correct in at least one thing you say and be able to back it up with SCIENTIFIC evidence. You can't. One subjective example based on conditions that could never be considered unbiased does not equal facts. Fact: Acoustics can be explained and predicted using equations. Fact: Loudspeaker performance in a given enclosure can be explained and predicted using equations.

This is why you didn't read the start of the thread to understand what I was saying. You noticed "He didn't read the book, so he's wrong". I'm talking facts as a Tumultx2 and RFD2215x2 owner, with a 15 cubic internal box vented and ported, powered by a 1000w (2ohms, 1ohm stable with Tumult in parallel) Peavey PA amp. Thats why I find it funny how people riding your trian, cause you read a book and I know from hard facts, what I'm talking about.

I've been in this post from the beginning. So you own some nice equipment. That makes you the expert? I own an axe. I'm the worlds foremost expert on lumberjacking. The only thing hard is your head at this point. You think the people on this forum only talk from their butt about something they've never done/seen/experienced. I'll wager there are people on this forum that have being doing this since you were in grade school.

People didn't believe in Einstein at first, until it was way past due. People are scared to accept changes in popular beliefs, when presented a different view. Even when backed with real practicle facts. Your known around here, you think I'm surprised that everyone is riding your train, no.

So you're Einstein now, huh? You know the big difference between you and Einstein? Einstein was ahead of his time and discussing things that had never been thought of before. You are just disagreeing with years of scientific research with nothing to back it up other than you less than scientific "experiment." You gonna argue with Ohm's Law next? How about Newton?

It will just be them looking foolish, telling people how sealed is SQ and look like a fool. Thats why you have so many people claim they like Rock and rap at the same time, they think they are supposed to fear the true -boom- sound from rap. So they go sealed, hear how lackluster rap is without it and just turn to alternative music.

The only fool is this thread is you (well, and DBFan, but that's a different story just messin with ya DB). You are presented with hard scientific FACT that has been exhaustively researched, and you dismiss it because you don't like what it says.

The next poster, I guess your SQ judges know more about music than the people who produce the actual tracks. Yes, judges know how a music track should sound, not the guy behind the production board with his ported monitors.

Um...a lot of the SQ judges are musicians. A lot of guys behind production boards have no clue what quality sound is. Any monkey can move some sliders around. Does the result sound like it really did in the studio? Doubtful. Rap producers are the worst of the lot. Get them to "produce" an album of music that actually has instruments and the musicians will kill them cause they will mess it up.

You guys follow fashion like lemmings off a cliff and may never get it. I don't care about some judge. Tell me why a sealed struggles to reproduce the -boom- if it isn't the sealed suspension. You people can never tell me, so what do you got. I bring up points and prove them and you guys just gather in numbers and follow the guy who read a book. I'll tell you something, only one of you actually probably read the first post, then the rest of you just jumped on his opinion.

OK here is the answer you don't want to hear. A good sub in a properly designed sealed enclosure will have no problem whatsoever in reproducing whatever is on the recording that is used as source material in the car environment. It will not PRODUCE -boom- which you seem to see as a detriment but which is the highest compliment you could be paying to the SQ aspect of the woofer. It plays what is there and doesn't play what isn't there.

Go back to school, learn how to read an entire post, then you will sound more intelligent in reply. You people keep your sealed boxes and keep talking about how you like Rock and Rap at the same time and claim you know SQ. Its like someone say they like **** stars and is very religious at the same time.

Finish school. Actually pay attention. Gain some knowlege. Gain some wisdom. Know when to admit you don't have the faintest idea what you are going on about and shut up.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

DA/\/\N, you guys schooled his ***. Professors Laine and Professors HT! Where can I enroll!

The only fool is this thread is you (well, and DBFan, but that's a different story

Yes, thats why my user text says! It's TRUE!

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Yes, thats why my user text says! It's TRUE!

At least you have enough sense to admit it. You have begun down the road to wisdom...

 

[Below 30 10+ year member]

I'd like to thank myself for sticking to this, my mission is complete. So he hates Hip-Hop and compares the producers to monkey's. Nice one. Well now I know why you people were so threatend by the ideas against sealed.

Well you know nothing about hip-hop and should stay far away from it. Ever heard of DJ premier, Havoc (mobb deep), WarrenG (first album), Pete Rock. Thought not. Well everyone, if you need to joiin a rap/hip-hop haters club, against the music currently controlling the indusrty, talk to that man up there.

Rap/Hip-Hop made the 808 bass drum famous, so sit there and feel jelous, but you can't turn back the hands of time. The thread is now yours.

 

[CELLERBR 10+ year member]

See how you prove your lack of full-post reading. You contradicted yourself. I said I was talking about rap from the first post. So where are you now. How do you fit into this conversation when you don't even know where you are.
Another contradiction on you, a vented box will reproduce a tight kick drum as a tight kick drum. I was talking about subs from the start, where you going with components. Why would anyone waste time making a ported box for a tweeter or midrange. Again, where are you, whats your status. Form your own opinions and stop riding the leader. You didn't read my first post, so go back to bed.

*Dangles a porkchop over your face while ***** smacking the shit out of you* You are the only one here doing any contradicting....Everything you say is a contradiction. You refer to rap music while talking about SQ....You talk about the reproduction of "boom" which there shouldnt be....Basicly you and your "Boomy SQ" should STFU..Roll around with your boomy ported SQ system and show us all up....Gimp *** retard..

-Ian

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

and thats one lllllllllloooooooonnnnnnnnggggggggg road for me!