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[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

still in for those cliffs..

Cliffs have already been provided, but your too lazy to read them. Does your mommy have to wipe your *** for you too?

 

[funkyab 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif this was not intended as a rhetorical question!

I dont know exactly what her opinion is on this question. Personally, I think that if the ICC had any real power to enforce the warrant IN SUDAN then this would have been a viable decision. But considering that they can not as Khartoum rejects ICC jurisdiction I dont see the good. I see little chance of him leaving the counrty with an ICC warrant on him so unless the UN security council gets involved and allows one of the member states to enter Sudan and forcefully remove him, all that has really been accomplished is pissin the guy off enough to kick out international aid agencies and put the people cought up in the conflict in greater jeopardy and with less resources and chance of sustainable survival.

 

[norcrawler 10+ year member]

Cliffs have already been provided, but your too lazy to read them. Does your mommy have to wipe your *** for you too?

no! but your mom does!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

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[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

I dont know exactly what her opinion is on this question. Personally, I think that if the ICC had any real power to enforce the warrant IN SUDAN then this would have been a viable decision. But considering that they can not as Khartoum rejects ICC jurisdiction I dont see the good. I see little chance of him leaving the counrty with an ICC warrant on him so unless the UN security council gets involved and allows one of the member states to enter Sudan and forcefully remove him, all that has really been accomplished is pissin the guy off enough to kick out international aid agencies and put the people cought up in the conflict in greater jeopardy and with less resources and chance of sustainable survival.

All that is true, except the big kicker is since Sudan is a member of the UN, the UN can order sanctions against them. Sudan refusing the warrant and not abiding by UN directives will trigger punitive actions withing the UN. Not a big deal for a major country like US, china, russia or isreal, but Sudan needs UN loans, UN food programs, UN aid programs, etc. This will also snowball into IMF and World Bank sanctions. And sactions against any other member nations who attempt to go around the sanctions,( like Shell oil who have supported the thug gov't so they can pump oil). In effect making the Sudan an international piraha.

It's a long game gamble, but there has been no other real action on Sudan, so I guess this is the best they could do. Sudan immedietly responded by kicking out UN aid workers to show they don't need the help, which of course they do. Time is running out for Sudan. The only question is if there will be anyone left when it's all over.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

no! but your mom does!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

That explains it. My mom is a nurse. She cares for the elderly, crippled and mentally retarded who can't care for themselves. Which one of those are you? I'm guessing mentally retarded who's so lazy you can't wipe your own *** or read a news story.

ADD much?

Is it time for your pills yet? Look over there, Pokemon is on tv! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

All that is true, except the big kicker is since Sudan is a member of the UN, the UN can order sanctions against them. Sudan refusing the warrant and not abiding by UN directives will trigger punitive actions withing the UN. Not a big deal for a major country like US, china, russia or isreal, but Sudan needs UN loans, UN food programs, UN aid programs, etc. This will also snowball into IMF and World Bank sanctions. And sanctions against any other member nations who attempt to go around the sanctions,( like Shell oil who have supported the thug gov't so they can pump oil). In effect making the Sudan an international pariah.

It's a long game gamble, but there has been no other real action on Sudan, so I guess this is the best they could do. Sudan immediately responded by kicking out UN aid workers to show they don't need the help, which of course they do. Time is running out for Sudan. The only question is if there will be anyone left when it's all over.

No such sanctions will be able to pass as long as any member of the security council vetoes them. So as long as China is on the security council and is the main importer of Sudanese oil, i think this prediction is a bit optimistic. I don't know much about the history of the civil war(?) in Sudan but I really see no reason to expect all the rebel groups to back down any time soon, especially if they just got a shipment of t-72s in from that hijacked Ukrainian boat.

 

[funkyab 10+ year member]

No such sanctions will be able to pass as long as any member of the security council vetoes them. So as long as China is on the security council and is the main importer of Sudanese oil, i think this prediction is a bit optimistic. I don't know much about the history of the civil war(?) in Sudan but I really see no reason to expect all the rebel groups to back down any time soon, especially if they just got a shipment of t-72s in from that hijacked Ukrainian boat.

Such a disaster there. Two separate conflicts and so many people killed. I remember in 2004 or 2005 Colin Powell indicated that the situation in Darfur essentially passed the legal tests to be considered a genocide.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

No such sanctions will be able to pass as long as any member of the security council vetoes them. So as long as China is on the security council and is the main importer of Sudanese oil, i think this prediction is a bit optimistic. I don't know much about the history of the civil war(?) in Sudan but I really see no reason to expect all the rebel groups to back down any time soon, especially if they just got a shipment of t-72s in from that hijacked Ukrainian boat.

Then that would put china in a tough postion of openly supporting a genocide and outlaw regime. This might help make them back down.

I'm not saying I support the UN's decision, but I see thier logic. Call them what they are and force everyone to take sides, either for or against the regiem, rather than being able to claim it's just business as usual. The sad part is this is what they should have done 10 years ago. WTF have they been waiting for?

 

[funkyab 10+ year member]

When I was working in Indonesia after the Tsunami we would ask children to draw pictures describing what they had seen and been through. It is an important excercise in helping children to cope with what has happened to them and by looking at other children pictures, help them to understand that they are not alone. I have to admit in that case many a tear was brought to my eye. And bear in mind the Tsunami was a natural disaster that no one had control of.

Here are some pictures i found via a news site drawn by children in Darfur, Sudan. The ICC are allowing Drawings such as this which can be authenticated as supporting evidence.

 

[Echo42987 10+ year member]

I don't want to be mean but Africa has been killing each other for YEARS. Sudan, Wanda, etc. There have been mass murders of multiple tribes in just days. I have no idea why Africa is so F*ed up but there isn't much we can do. People go there trying to help and make a small impact. But some impact is better then none. It's sad what they do to each other but nothing is ever going to stop the idiocy of Africa.

 

[funkyab 10+ year member]

I don't want to be mean but Africa has been killing each other for YEARS. Sudan, Wanda, etc. There have been mass murders of multiple tribes in just days. I have no idea why Africa is so F*ed up but there isn't much we can do. People go there trying to help and make a small impact. But some impact is better then none. It's sad what they do to each other but nothing is ever going to stop the idiocy of Africa.

I am going to have to agree somewhat here. But i think much responsibility for the current situation lies on the colonial powers and how they split territories and the entire continent. Although there had been quite a bit of historical conflict on the continent, like everywhere, it was not until the colonial powers came, split the place up, put some tribal societies in too close proximity and within too close working conditions (some of these groups had settled their differences LONG before the colonial powers) and then left without paying much attention to how the political, cultural and tribal system would function. During the cold war the continent was relatively stable due to the polarized nature of the world and the need for each side to have as many allies and resources available at a moments notice. After the cold war ended and no one "needed" "africa" anymore,, the conflicts just got out out of control. THis is also true for many other parts of the world however africa really stands out due to the land mass, resources, population, and HIV.