ohh thats the one bad thing about those power elites, the only place the model number is located is on the REMOVABLE lid.. That one isnt as tough to tell apart from diff models but the T8002 and the T20001bd are both exactly 23 inches long, and I finally figured out that the T8002 will have lowpass/fullpass/highpass eq options where the T20001bd doesnt.. thats one reason to buy a smartphone so that you can research it while ur standing there with the bastard trying to tell you this t8002 is a t20001bd (in my case) and then front him out and watch him stutter.. haha, I'm still disappointed I didnt get a T20001bd for $200 like i was expecting.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif