RL-p vs XXX

From the same review:

Using winISD it shows that a good quality ported box of about 2-2.5 cu ft will give you a completely flat response right down to 26Hz at –3db. That is low enough to keep me happy and that is what I want. In a sealed box the –3db kicks in at around 47Hz! which is not brilliant.
I wonder what size sealed box he was using, and whether he could verify an F3 of around 47Hz...

 
omg all this time i thought you were opinionated and deaf... lol //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

what was that?

i believe i am correct in saying ....ummmm...something.

idiot....i,too, am wondering what size box. that's the only thing he failed to mention..unless i missed it.

kent

 
From the same review:

I wonder what size sealed box he was using, and whether he could verify an F3 of around 47Hz...

Keep in mind, WinISD isn't the most accurate box program //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
well i got my 15" XXX running last night in a ~2.5^3 box...

16.5 X 25.5 x 14.5

i figured it would be best to go over what RE recommends

which is 2^3...

im running it off a viper 1200.1 but its gains are scaled

back because of all the rattling which is amplified by

the fact that my car is frozen...

it is very loud... but it doesnt seem to have much of

that air pressure changing bass... its just loud...

would porting make just make it louder or could i gain

that crushing feeling?

*note i dont necessarily want it louder... i just want to

feel the bass more...

 
well i got my 15" XXX running last night in a ~2.5^3 box...
16.5 X 25.5 x 14.5

i figured it would be best to go over what RE recommends

which is 2^3...

im running it off a viper 1200.1 but its gains are scaled

back because of all the rattling which is amplified by

the fact that my car is frozen...

it is very loud... but it doesnt seem to have much of

that air pressure changing bass... its just loud...

would porting make just make it louder or could i gain

that crushing feeling?

*note i dont necessarily want it louder... i just want to

feel the bass more...
yup...go ported tuned low!

When i first got my XXX, i hated it...i put it in the wrong enclosure (partially my fault b/c of miscalculations/ mis-cuts). But, i was realllly disappointed, and wanted to sell it and get my 2 12" magnum d2's back. BUT, then i gave it another chance...and built a perfect ported enclosure. Even on only 1200wrms is was like night and day....soon i'll have 1800-2000 rms on it. WOW

NG

My recommendation: 4-4.5 cubes @30hz w/ 70-90 sq. in. of port

 
i am willing to give a ported box a try... ill have to

wait til spring to do a build in car unless anyone in

buffalo wants to help me in a nice garage : )

but i guess that would be a waste right now because

i also want to do TONS MORE sound deadening... ive

got a layer of peel and seal but in the winter that

is not cutting it... i figure some of that edead blue

paint stuff will get in all the nooks and crannies...

buiding a box that cant be taken out wouldnt exactly

make it easy to do the edead...

overall the XXX sounds great... listening to it at the

trunk with the trunk open you can hear how clean

its actually playing... but inside theres SOOOOOOO much

rattling it kinda takes away...

and like is said... theres a lot of rattling... but no sound

pressure change... i want it to be hard to breathe

ya know??? i thought thats what i was getting...

 
what was that?

i believe i am correct in saying ....ummmm...something.

idiot....i,too, am wondering what size box. that's the only thing he failed to mention..unless i missed it.

kent
lol it just seems you have some back up now and i was being sarcastic

 
Keep in mind, WinISD isn't the most accurate box program //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
That's why I was seeking real world confirmation. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
lol it just seems you have some back up now and i was being sarcastic

i know..lol...it's all good!!

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif

 
ok folks..today i did some ported testing...

box...re recommended 2.5ft^3, 36in^2 of port, tuned to 30hz...

power...memphis 1500d @ 4ohm, rated 750wrms

the vehicle/placement....2004 silverado x-cab. sitting on top of back seat facing forward.

the results...

again today i listened to country, rap and rock.

and ummmmm.........

i might as well do this together...

at 750 wrms, these subs are really close in this box. both get low, but not real loud. both move quite a bit and sound really nice at low to mid volumes. both produce a hollow noise at upper volumes...almost like they were both bottoming out. but i don't think they are...

what got me was there was no clear difference in output between the two. the xxx appeared teh louder of the two sealed, yet didn't seem to gain anything in this box. the rl-p wasn't far behind sealed, but is dead even ported. in reality, neither one was impressive with their output. i was kinda disappointed, but tuning and vehicle probably have more to do with this then anything.

sq wise, IMO, the rl-p is still the better sounding of the two. double kicks are crisper and the transistions were seamless. both subs exhibit very little overhang and keep up with the music effortlessly. the xxx does keep up in the rumble catagory this time! both subs could reach the lowlows, there was no distinct difference as in the sealed box.

again, both subs seemed to handle the power fine, but i'm not for sure what was causing the hollow sound. it could just be that the subs are reproducing the kick sound in the kick drum more accurately then i'm used too..lol...

again, i think the output of both subs kinda got me. they just seemed to be boring. nothing impressive, just there. i mean both were loud, but sealed box loud..again, i guess tuning had alot to do with that.

i don't think either sub really like this box. it just made both subs fall flat at the top. i don't know, but the two tens that are normally in there off that same power crush both of these subs output wise in this box. maybe it's the vehicle's transeit response, the tens are tuned to 38hz. either way...i think i'm building a different box..lol...and doing this again.

if i were to choose..i'd flip a coin. for while i think the rl-p is crisper, the xxx sounds just as good. but both subs disappointed in the output part.

tomorrow, i run new wire and install the orion...1200wrms is coming.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif

 
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dEAR mR rAY.

pLEASE bUILD aN eNCLOSURE fOR tHE rL-12P tHAT pUNCHES hOLEZ tHRU uR rOOF.

tHANKyOU,

tHEcYBE.

ps. wHEN yOU'RE dONE, cOULD i pLEASE hAVE tHE bOX. tHANKyOU aGAIN.

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lmfao. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I couldn't resist.

 
------------dEAR mR rAY.

pLEASE bUILD aN eNCLOSURE fOR tHE rL-12P tHAT pUNCHES hOLEZ tHRU uR rOOF.

tHANKyOU,

tHEcYBE.

ps. wHEN yOU'RE dONE, cOULD i pLEASE hAVE tHE bOX. tHANKyOU aGAIN.

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lmfao. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I couldn't resist.


i got a good laugh.. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

i sell u this one for $80 shipped. 8 guage speaker wire... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

but i am going to build a different box...maybe 1.75ft^3..24in^2 of port..tuned to 34hz...sounds sexy...lol!!

and i gotta give u credit..lol..u tried!!! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsup.gif.3287b36ca96645a13a43aff531f37f02.gif

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif

 
***** to hear the box you built didn't do either sub any justice //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

The box specs you described above are Mike's, yeah?

 
***** to hear the box you built didn't do either sub any justice //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif
The box specs you described above are Mike's, yeah?

i'm going to play with the box a lil...try it in the wife's car..

they are specs i've talked to mike about..and worked over a lil...

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/peace.gif.2db28b618ed8d1964ebbe2f5021d2c39.gif

 
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