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[LWW 10+ year member]

I completely understand why you want to do it. What i don't understand is that with the obvious iinvestment you have in the system already why $20.00 would be such an issue?

Whatever it is you do I'm reasonably sure you don't do it for free.

As a suggestion if you bought your stuff local I would go to that shop and ask if they would do a customer goodwill thing. I imagine they would.

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Whatever it is you do I'm reasonably sure you don't do it for free.

Not to start anything... well... who we kiddin, yeah it is //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

I do something that the average joe CAN'T do.. and it results in the collecting of $7 Billion a year (or more).. so yeah, I want to get paid for helping to contribute to that.. Does that mean I won't take time out of my schedule to help someone with my knowledge and expertise and do it for free? nope.. I help people all the time (with computer stuff).. do I ask them to help reimburse me the ~$40,000 I spent on getting those tools and equipment to be able to do that? nope.. I've been known to spend HOURS (read 6 - 8 at a time) helping someone for free.. SOOOOoooooooo....

I think it's just as wrong to charge someone for something trivial as it is to charge for water at a disaster site... that's just me..

Though, you make kind of a reasonable point (even though I still have issue with the premise) about it being a small addition to the total 'investment' of a system.. just not an expense I would think should be made given the ease/triviality of it all .. course, I'd not pay (and haven't) to see what my dB level is, even though I'm curious.. I figure.. if you can't hear the difference with the dampner in then you wasted your money (unless you are gonna compete, but then you 'should' already know your base before damplifier, or don't worry about it if you don't have a base since it doesnt matter now)..

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Well, the reason I wanted to test is so i could maybe do a review for Second Skin. Plus, i do want to compete (check out the sig), so i would like to know what my baseline is for my old system compared to the new one. Whatever, maybe i'll find somebody who'll do it for $10-15, either that or i'll order my L5's from a local shop, maybe then they'll do it for free.

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Sorry Savant BUT water at a disaster sight is an essential of life. Getting a DB rating isn't. By this logic if I stop by the performance shop and want my car put on a dyno that should be free as well. Or if I stop by the Dr's office and want them to give me a brief physical would they charge me?

Want someone does to help a friend in a situation has no bearing on what a business does for profit.

PEACE

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by LWW Sorry Savant BUT water at a disaster sight is an essential of life. Getting a DB rating isn't. By this logic if I stop by the performance shop and want my car put on a dyno that should be free as well. Or if I stop by the Dr's office and want them to give me a brief physical would they charge me?

 

Want someone does to help a friend in a situation has no bearing on what a business does for profit.

 

PEACE

Sorry, but testing a car on a dyno is much more involved than testing dB's. Same thing for a doctor's visit. I get what your saying about running a business, but we are just talking about the greedy ones that just try to make as much money as possible off of one person instead of getting known for having good prices and receive more customers. That was the whole start of this conversation was a shop was charging me $25 to use a decimeter. That's just ridiculous.

 

[dbhittin 5,000+ posts]

every shop around me does it for free

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by dbhittin every shop around me does it for free

Dammit, why the hell do i have all the shops that want to rip people off? The shop that told me $25 also sells JL, go figure. And of course, he tries to tell me that Adire and Shocker and all of those brands don't make their own subs, he says they get parts from other companies. What a fukking *******. He didn't even know any of the subs those companies had.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Sorry Savant BUT water at a disaster sight is an essential of life. Getting a DB rating isn't. By this logic if I stop by the performance shop and want my car put on a dyno that should be free as well. Or if I stop by the Dr's office and want them to give me a brief physical would they charge me?

 

Want someone does to help a friend in a situation has no bearing on what a business does for profit.

 

PEACE

Hey, by your logic, getting money is getting money.. until someone's life is at stake.. then by YOUR logic, all emergency room visits should be free, as well as the ambulance ride..

and, as was pointed out.. a Dyno test is a LOT more involved and has a lot more expensive equipment involved (on the order of 100s of thousands of dollars).. and requires special knowledge to run (unlike pressing 'on' on a dB meter).. And as far as the doctor goes, now you are trying to compare some 18 yr old zit bag to a person that spent a minimum of 8 years in med school and internships? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Every time you open your mouth you dig yourself deeper and deeper.. Maybe you should just let this go..

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Hey, by your logic, getting money is getting money.. until someone's life is at stake.. then by YOUR logic, all emergency room visits should be free, as well as the ambulance ride..

Not even close. My point is that this is a FREE MARKET economy. If someone charges $25.00 for a service and people are willing to pay it then that becomes fair market value.

If someone else sees this and decides that it's a way fat business and does it for $5 then the shop charging $25 IS TOAST. This now becomes fair market value.

If the shop charging $25 has more business than they can handle then the fair market value will rise until the demand balances with trhe supply.

THIS IS how free markets operate. My POINT is if someone wants more for a ser4vice than you want to pay then the answer is to go elsewhere.

Whether it takes a few seconds or how easy it is has no relevance. What someone is willing to pay for it has all relevance. To EXPECT a shop to drop everything for free is not realistic. For a shop to do it as a benny for customers is a nice choice and many do. When things become free to everybody you tend to get deluged with people wanting free and missing customers who pay.

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW THIS IS how free markets operate. My POINT is if someone wants more for a ser4vice than you want to pay then the answer is to go elsewhere.

Only, if the guys at the shop(s) 'all' charge about the same, and there are some pissant morons with money to burn and paid that price ONCE.. the owners will tell people indefinately that teh charge is $25, regardless of if anyone else needs the measurement.. The owner sees it as $25 a shot, but doesn't realize that they aren't gonna get many sales like that, but at a much lower price, more people might be interested (at say $10).. Just because you get something once (or even once in a while) doesn't mean your 'price' is the best or most advantagous.. you would have to do market studies and surveys and plot the supply/demand curve to find the best price to charge.. I'll promise the shop owners aren't doing that with dB measuring fees..

Going elsewhere only works if there is a reasonable demand.. Nitche stuff like this doesn't allow the Free Market modle to work as intended since there are a VERY FEW (by comparison) people doing X thing in the area.. some places might only have 1 or 2 shops .. how does free market work there? on a local scale it can't.. Free Market also presumes intelligent consumers.. we all know that doesn't happen.. how else does one person pay $250 for a new woofer when someone else pays $75 for the EXACT SAME WOOFER...??

Whether it takes a few seconds or how easy it is has no relevance. What someone is willing to pay for it has all relevance. To EXPECT a shop to drop everything for free is not realistic. For a shop to do it as a benny for customers is a nice choice and many do. When things become free to everybody you tend to get deluged with people wanting free and missing customers who pay.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif again with the friggin extremes.. no one expects 'all things' to be done for 'free'.. just more in keeping with the effort.. Time has a HUGE effect on that if you ask me.. if it's very unskilled and takes a very short time, asking more than a trivial price is .. well.. greedy as hell.. has nothing to do with markets or supply and demand.. You make it sound like if a shop starts to offer free dB testing that all their other business would be ignored and they wouldn't make any money, but you and I both know that there would be PRESCIOUS few people getting metered.. and the shop could easily tell people to come back when they aren't busy.. or, to disuade 'floods' of people, charge a nominal fee (realistic for the effort, $25 for 5 mintues is NOT reasonable to me for unskilled uneducated effort)..

Whatever.. There is no point talking to you.. You keep acting like you have a solid grasp of various concepts and spout off like an authority, which sounds good and all to those that don't know the real deal, but the bottom line is you keep talking out your *** with 1/2 statements and avoid issues.. and backpedal on your previous statemnts.. I'm done responding to you in this thread..

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Thanks Savant. At least somebody feels my anxiety. $25, what a fukking rip-off. Fair market value my ***. I bet if they charged $10 a pop they would get way more customers than if they charged $25. More customers=more profit. Greedy as hell is right. God, i'm sick of the fukking shops around me, all they do is charge for everything. I spend money there one time, go back to get some advice on installing something, and the owner's like "well, why don't you just pay us to do it?" I'm like "Cause it's easy, i just wanna make sure i do it the right way." God, that guy wanted $25 to install one of those LED scanners. It took me 5 minutes to do. I couldn't believe he wouldn't tell me what to do. This is after i spent over $350 at his shop. God, why can't people be a little giving now and then. I've done so much for my friends stereos and what do i ask? Nothing (although i might start charging cause my *** is broke).

 

[vitrox]

buy a meter and stop crying.. my friend here has his own meter, its a lot less hassle than having to beg a shop to meter you. Then you can charge your friends to meter their systems. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[tommyk90 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by vitrox buy a meter and stop crying.. my friend here has his own meter, its a lot less hassle than having to beg a shop to meter you. Then you can charge your friends to meter their systems. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Well, you kinda raised this thread from the dead. But i finally did get it tested, for a reasonable $10. I went back to the same place that told me $25, and another guy there said $10. I think the guy that told me $25 was the owner. Whatever, at least i got it done.