RIP nick berg.....awfull stuff

[97dakota 10+ year member]

not even the 49 ****ing virgins could save these guys. thats okay though. the muslims are a peace loving nation. really they are. what major conflict have they not been involved in in the past 30 40 years. peacful really. maybe we should all be more like them. Oh i am sorry also if i offend anyone, wouldn't want a muslim to get their feelings hurt.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

first off i agree with joshpoints. wipe the plate clean with their *****. hit em hard and heavy. let them know that we are not here to screw around. we mean business. the rules of the geneva convention shouldnt apply when the other side will not abide by them. start cutting heads off of their guys. all on film. broadcast it. when a convoy gets hit blow the crap out of the people standing around chanting. when it comes to war there are no rules. when you let rules stand in your way to appease other countries or people that is when you start having problems like were having now.

this is the way i see it. your out one night having a good time and end up getting in a fight with someone. you beat the crap out of him. after you beat the crap out of him you take him to the hospital so they can tend to his wounds and you pay all his doctor bills. thats exactly what we are doing now. we have done it in the past. look at japan and germany.

another thing. who do you think sold osama bin laden all his weapons to begin with. donald rumsfeld. when he was under george sr. who do you think helped saddam hussein when he first took over. the usa. there are many more countries that we have done the same thing to.

do you really think this war is about restoring peace to iraq? give me a break. every war is about the same thing. money and power. every war. do you really think dick cheney isnt making any money off this war. give me a break. you know he is. do you really think george bush isnt making any noey off the war. you know halliburton is cutting cheney off something for his help in getting the largest contract over there. you know bush is getting kickbacks from the huge oil companies in texas that are making a killing refining the $40 a barrel oil right now.

and what kills me the most are these people that are so patriotic. that wave the american flag and say how good of a country we are. please. these people have been brainwashed into thinking that the goverment really cares about our troops over in harms way. the people that are so sure bush is doing the right thing. the goverments only job at this point in time is to make sure it survives and thrives. that it makes sure it exerts more and more control over its own people until we no longer can decide anything for ourselves. its not here to serve us anymore. its here to serve itself.

our goverment has sucessfully made america work for it. not the other way around like it was suppose to be. we as a country have become so stupid and blind that the people that run the show know they can do pretty much whatever they want and get away with it. do you really think our water supplies are safe? do you really think our nuclear reactors are safe? do you really think we our skies are any safer than they were before 9/11? 43 million people are without healthcare. taxes on the poor and middle class are totally out of wack compared to the wealthy. our children are falling farther and farther behind other countries when it comes to education. we are the drug capitol of the world. wether it be illegal of perscription drugs. are we ever going to wake up and take control back of OUR country? if we dont then there will not be a country to take back before too long. the most powerful countries from the beginning of history have crumbled from within. we are going down that same path. but noone seems to care.

ok. enoughfrom me before i get so pissed off i cant sleep.

Yup. When we were fighting the Japanese, we go to tend to their wounds and they'd shoot our medical aid people. They were trained to fight to their death and not give up or give in.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

It will all come to an end if we just hand over Bush. Make it the WHOLE Bush family just to rid us of their filth!

 

[DARKHART 10+ year member]

It will all come to an end if we just hand over Bush. Make it the WHOLE Bush family just to rid us of their filth!

I've tried really hard not to comment on this topic but I do so agree with this statement and a few others that have been made.

For the most part the majority of the comments that have been made are so disturbing because it really is same at how many people have no clue as the reality of the situation.

I'd be the first to say that as far as places to live, that the U.S. is the best place on the planet. BUT the fact is this, the U.S. is also by far the most deceitful and dishonest, and corupt government on the planet as well. There are so many fu*ked up things that go every single day that is carried out by our loving government that if ever it came to light the level of public outrage would be unmeasurable.

I spent more than 10yrs serving this country in our special forces as an officers and for the better part of those years I served her very proudly. There are sub units within units that operate nothing more than what you know as "black-ops" which is what I did the last few years of my serve and I will tell all of you We as a country aren't by any means angels or inicent in SHIT!

It crazy how many of you are so quick to say let's nuke them or let's start doing to them what they are doing to us, well guess what, the chickens are starting to come home if you know what I mean. There is a very REAL REASON why so many countries hate the US. I think it's fair to say that 97% of the bullsh*t the U.S. does in other countries and here at home will never see the light of day but rest assured that there is some trueth in most conspiriocy theories.

Now as far as everyone that wanted to drop the bombs and just kill everyone, my question to you is this, if you are so gungho patriotic, why didn't you join the military and go fight the good fight? I'm sure most of you are at least 18 and are of able body, hell you've already shown how willing minded you are. The trueth of it is this war is hell and it's not pretty or something to be taken lightly. Until you've had to look down the barrel of a rifle at another human being and squeeze the trigger then you can't possibly understand. They told us it gets easy after the first few kills and to some degree that becomes true because you no longer think of them as a person only as the enemy but that crap stays with you for the rest of your life and it's something you think about forever.

I could go on but that's not the point, I simply would like everyone to really think about whats really going on in the world a why is it we are always dead square in the center. We are the greatest nation on the planet and in many many ways we are the worst. Don't be led so blindly by the professional spin doctors that is our government...............

 

[denim 5,000+ posts]

The Liberal Party in BC is highly conservative ...
Also, if you want me to into everything that is bad about the BC Liberal party, it may take a while ... Ask Steve about it ... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

wow I have never seen you so passionate about something before //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/uhoh.gif.c07307dd22ee7e63e22fc8e9c614d1fd.gif

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

The Liberal Party in BC is highly conservative ...
Also, if you want me to into everything that is bad about the BC Liberal party, it may take a while ... Ask Steve about it ... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

It would take days to explain ...

- Steve

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

First off to stick to the topic. I feel for the family of Nick Berg and murder is wrong in any case. However, his American Civilian *** shouldn't have been there in the first place. His communication company was not an authroized contractor through the US government. He was there on his own behalf to establish his company as one of the first communication companies. He was there to make a dime. Perfect example of how greed can kill a man.

In no means am I saying he deserved this but we shouldn't honor him as a hero either.

 

[EarDrummin. 10+ year member]

The Liberal Party in BC is highly conservative ...
Also, if you want me to into everything that is bad about the BC Liberal party, it may take a while ... Ask Steve about it ... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Liberal and conservative are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, I really don't get what you're saying..

 

[EarDrummin. 10+ year member]

First off to stick to the topic. I feel for the family of Nick Berg and murder is wrong in any case. However, his American Civilian *** shouldn't have been there in the first place. His communication company was not an authroized contractor through the US government. He was there on his own behalf to establish his company as one of the first communication companies. He was there to make a dime. Perfect example of how greed can kill a man.
In no means am I saying he deserved this but we shouldn't honor him as a hero either.

Who said it was greed? Maybe he didn't have much money and needed to get his business off the ground. No reason to make assumptions, the man was killed because people are ignorant enough to think killing a civilian makes up for military abuses, when he wasn't military. This is why he's dead, not because he's greedy.

 

[BMG 10+ year member]

First off to stick to the topic. I feel for the family of Nick Berg and murder is wrong in any case. However, his American Civilian *** shouldn't have been there in the first place. His communication company was not an authroized contractor through the US government. He was there on his own behalf to establish his company as one of the first communication companies. He was there to make a dime. Perfect example of how greed can kill a man.
In no means am I saying he deserved this but we shouldn't honor him as a hero either.

how can you say he's greedy after all the other "human interest" work he's done in other countries? The shit he did in africa where he left(i assume) with more than enough food, clothes and money and he came back sick(from not eating enough food cuz he gave it to the locals) and with only the clothes on his back.

And i suppose pat tillman is a hero in your eyes?

and no im not trying to say there should be a parade or nothin for this guy, im not trying to convey that. Im just saying he deserves a little more respect than you and a lot of people are giving him

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

The party is called the Liberal party but they're basically right-wing conservatives ... Anti-public everything ... Anti-socialist ... Anti-public-health-care ... Anti-everything-Canada-stands-for ...
They're bastards, I hope they die a slow and painful death very soon ... They're ruining the province and they still have 2 years in office to **** things up even more ...

I guess I'd have to be up north to understand you and the problems you are facing with all that anti stuff. Although they may be liberals but they are worried about the healthcare system and are trying to straighten it out. I have heard that Canada is having problems with the healthcare system being abused and is causing concern with political leaders.

As for the statement that Nick Berg was greedy, I'd have to disagree with this.

Something I was thinking last night and have thought in the past. You have the liberals on one side that has done good things in the past but has become so extreme that it is destructive to the US in my opinion. But then I think and say well although conservatives have some good beliefs their extreme would be just as bad and destructive to the US and we'd be living with racism which I absolutely hate.

Something else that is interesting is liberals say be open minded yet they aren't open enough to accept your opinion, instead they call you every name in the book. Yet conservatives are known for not being open minded. So basically my point is both liberals and conservatives are close minded. They see it their way is right and the other's way is wrong.

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

My sympathies to the family and the people of America,to see one of thier citizen die such a horrific death. My sympathies also to those in the prison where American soldiers have abused and killed prisoners.

War is tough, ain't it? I don't think killing anyone will justify anything.

I only wish soldiers did what they are ordered and nothing more. Sadly, humans have emotions, emotions that the military tries to harness.

I believe talking more about this will only bring up more hate.

On another note, I've lived in a mulsim country for 18 years, and I think it's safe to say that no one can change how they think and to what extreme they will go. Believe me, they will do things that'll blow your mind.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

They're not trying to straighten it out, they're trying to get out of spending money on it ... They're greedy bastards ... In 2003, we had a $400 MILLION surplus in B.C. ... That's a shitload of money for a province of just under 3.5 million people ... I understand we do have debts to pay off, but a $400 million surplus at the cost of education, health care, public welfare, and basically everything that's supposed to be good about living in Canada is rediculous, especially considering how much money they're spending to make Vancouver and Whistler look good for the Olympics. You know what pisses me off even more ? Even with all the cuts they've made, they've raised taxes a rediculous amount (Unless you own a business or are in the upper-class). It's not so much the income tax that they've raised or the sales tax, it's the taxes on everyday things that account for most of it. We used to have some of the lowest gas prices in Canada, now we're right at the top despite the fact that we're right next to our main oil producing province, Alberta. Why are gas prices so high ? Because it's taxed to hell by the BC government (See Liberal gov't). Gas prices just went up again to $0.999/L (Approximately $2.71 US per gallon). Even in Saint John's, Newfoundland, the gas is cheaper than in BC (The furthest province from Alberta) @ $0.925/L ... In Edmonton, Alberta, gas is $0.695/L (~$1.88 US per gallon) ... It now costs $75 to renew your driver's license ... $75 !!!! It costs $50 for a roadtest to get your license !! It costs more for a marriage license, it costs more to get permits for anything, it costs more for just about everything in this province because the Liberal government decided that they can just jack up the prices on anything they want just because they feel like it. Oh, did I mention they also dropped minimum wage down to $6 an hour if you have less than 500 hours of work experience ? There's a kick in the crotch to students. Did I mention they've raised university tuition fees 30% every year since they were elected ? They really want the children of this province to have a future ... Did I mention they've completely cut off women's and children's services ? Cut funding to food banks ? Cut funding for welfare and social assistance ? Oh, let's not forget that we're in a depression and the unemployment rate is fairly high, but they decided people can just fend for themselves. It really makes me sick. Oh, also, they're selling off all of OUR publicly owned corporations. Publicly-owned corporations that were funded using the tax dollars of BC CITIZENS. Do we get a say ? Noooooo ... We just get ***** up the *** by some company in Bermuda or whatever because our gov't just decided one day that they wanted to sell it. Oh wait, I forgot, most of these companies make shitloads of money and offer us some of the lowest rates in North America, but, of course, if Gordon Campbell didn't sell off our companies, he wouldn't get massive pay-offs from foreign companies going into HIS pockets.
Oh, by the way, this is just scratching the surface ... There's MUCH more ...

That is one of the disadvantages of a more socialist society. The government decides where your money is going to be spent. Also if your country isn't that much into running a deficit (they want a surplus or balanced budget instead) that current surplus adds up to about $114.28 per capita. Now if you're saying that you're paying insane taxes and aren't seeing anything for it, then the government is spending it in ways that don't benefit you or an audit maybe done to figure out where it is really going.

This is one of the reasons that I'm not into socialism, I'd rather be allowed to spend most of money by myself. Why should I work if I'm not receiving the benefits from the taxes I pay? Maybe I should become unemployed and then maybe I'll receive benefits. This type of thinking is one of the dangers on a socialist society. The government must be very careful with what it does with the money and that it satisfies most of the people and doesn't discourage people to give up and stop working.

I know how you feel about getting paid off by big business. This happens to every president the US will ever have for the rest of its short life. Politicians don't care about their country, they care about paying off the people that got them re-elected. It's all about money and power. Too bad we didn't have politicians that actually cared more about the country like back when the US was first created. And that's why I say vote third party. Vote libertarian, american independent, green party. The politicians from republican and democratic parties are one in the same, whoever gives them the most money is who they will represent rather than what is in the best interest of the country.

On a side note. Some of you may disagree but this is just an idea that recently came to mind. The US is supposed to be a great free nation, but realistically doesn't look like it will last very long because most want what is best for themselves rather than making sacrifice for the country.

Look at a communist country like china. It is amazing how long it has been standing.

Now I'm not a communist but it is quite interesting.

 

[BDIDDY 10+ year member]

RIP to Nick Berg..

If someone could answer one question for me, I am wondering why we don't just nuke the country? I understand there are civilian's there but why? Wouldnt that just end it all?

Take it easy...

 

[BMG 10+ year member]

RIP to Nick Berg..

If someone could answer one question for me, I am wondering why we don't just nuke the country? I understand there are civilian's there but why? Wouldnt that just end it all?

Take it easy...

the main factor being the civilians the other factors being if we nuked them a lot of other countries would consider it OK to use their nukes on us or whomever they wanted. Also, we'd obviously have some serious political backlash from it