Repubs stab Obama in the back after he plays nice

i see you've been brainwashed by Glen Beck, so i won't even waste my time debating the need for higher taxes and more reform.
I do not listen to glen beck. More times than not when it comes to a logical discussion with the loony left they resort to this. Why is that? Also, have you ever considered that reducing spending would fix the budget shortfall?

I would be upset with Obama if he wasn't facing enormous opposition for everything he does, but the Republicans just want to burn him for each decision good or bad in public. Where was all this chastisement when Bush ran up the deficit and created an imaginary war? Obama inherited a crapstorm. He hasn't made it much better, but i'm not surprised given the strong republican effort to keep all his efforts muted and/or hated
Every president inherits something. Bush inherited a recession from clinton and a weakened military and an emboldened al qaeda. Your imaginary war comment is very telling.

 
I think its funny that the Republicans are claiming that theyll repeal healthcare. it will die before it ever comes to that, its pretty much ceremonial to keep their image up.

Obama is following the foot steps of Clinton and his approval rating is higher than ever

There is a bunch of lies and rhetoric behind what is to be said about the healthcare bill. This was pushed out because republicans are driven by corporations and bureaucratic motives.

And to be honest I lols. Even if the current plan isnt very good, the republicans dont have a plan so its foolish for them to try and repeal.

 
The invasion of Afghanistan was a bipartisan decision, and in fact both parties, republicans AND democrats, both vied for the position of being seen as the driving force behind its inception (based on the notion of which party was the most 'patriotic'). Maybe you weren't old enough to see that unfold, like I did. Or maybe the partisan politics of our system have coaxed you into forgetting (very common). The only reason the invasion of Afghanistan went down in history as a republican initiative is because the republican party has traditionally been the party of pro national defense, so the democrats were fighting an uphill battle to look like they initiated the conflict. Dont believe me? Look it up.
The invasion of Iraq had support from many nations, and most experts agree things are better in Iraq now than they were before we invaded. Tell all those tens of thousands of muslim women who are now allowed to go to school, that the war to free them to make their own choices in life, was 'imaginary'.

As for republicans wanting to burn obama, you remember the bush era much differently than I do. If anything, democrats took their criticism to a new level of personal insults... how often were we told how stupid GW Bush was? Pics of him at his worst, sound bites of every mistake he made and every embarrassing situation he was in. As a relatively poor public speaker, a seeming inability to dance, and generally a bit clumsy, he was an easy target. And democrats took full advantage of every opportunity. So dont play this off as just some republican-only tactic of harassing the current commander in chief.
You cant go to war because its nice to help people out. There are a million homeless people in Ohio but if i give up my paycheck to help them out then ill be homeless too. Of course there will be opposition from either party when a new president comes into play but you cannot refute that there is racism and rhetoric that is beyond anything the democratic party has put out.

 
Also the healthcare bill does not eliminate the private sector, read the bill. And if youre going to yell socialism, take a look at your Dept of Transportation, Fire Depts, Police Depts, Water Depts, School Systems.

We should privatize the fire depts, that way when your house is on fire and you have leaves in your yard theyll let it burn because its a pre existing condition.

My father has had a heart attack and is self employed. do you know what that means? He cant get healthcare. Its not that he cant find it at some outrageous rate, he cant find it. You call up an insurance company and they ask for pre existing conditions and hang the F-- up! Its ridiculous. My mother has a 5000 dollar deductable on her insurance because anything smaller is too expensive, why? because shes had a blood clot in her leg and shes self employed. Bullshit man.

 
I think its funny that the Republicans are claiming that theyll repeal healthcare. it will die before it ever comes to that, its pretty much ceremonial to keep their image up.
Obama is following the foot steps of Clinton and his approval rating is higher than ever

There is a bunch of lies and rhetoric behind what is to be said about the healthcare bill. This was pushed out because republicans are driven by corporations and bureaucratic motives.

And to be honest I lols. Even if the current plan isnt very good, the republicans dont have a plan so its foolish for them to try and repeal.
Who funds the democratic campaigns?

Also, take a look around for the Republican Healthcare bill. It exists and pelosi wouldn't allow a vote on it. Literally nothing you said in this post was true. obama's approval rating is low. Even the most lefty pollsters have him at 54%. Lol that's hardly "higher than ever".

 
Also the healthcare bill does not eliminate the private sector, read the bill. And if youre going to yell socialism, take a look at your Dept of Transportation, Fire Depts, Police Depts, Water Depts, School Systems.
A lot of us HAVE read the bill. Never before has the government required a private individual to buy ANYTHING before.

We should privatize the fire depts, that way when your house is on fire and you have leaves in your yard theyll let it burn because its a pre existing condition.
They actually do this. Take a look into your local ESN's and find some no-man's lands from people who did not vote to go into a fire protection district. LOL do you have ANY facts at all or do you just spew lefty rhetoric?

My father has had a heart attack and is self employed. do you know what that means? He cant get healthcare. Its not that he cant find it at some outrageous rate, he cant find it. You call up an insurance company and they ask for pre existing conditions and hang the F-- up! Its ridiculous. My mother has a 5000 dollar deductable on her insurance because anything smaller is too expensive, why? because shes had a blood clot in her leg and shes self employed. Bullshit man.
It's not profitable for a private company to insure you AFTER you have been inflicted with something. That's why you buy it before you need it. If everyone could just buy insurance after something happened, nobody would pay monthly for it. This is why pre-existing conditions even exist. A little logic goes a long way. A little long term planning on your dad's part would have saved him a lot of headache and money in the long run. Since the healthcare bill was passed, it has made it even LESS affordable for the rest of us.

 
A lot of us HAVE read the bill. Never before has the government required a private individual to buy ANYTHING before.
They actually do this. Take a look into your local ESN's and find some no-man's lands from people who did not vote to go into a fire protection district. LOL do you have ANY facts at all or do you just spew lefty rhetoric?

It's not profitable for a private company to insure you AFTER you have been inflicted with something. That's why you buy it before you need it. If everyone could just buy insurance after something happened, nobody would pay monthly for it. This is why pre-existing conditions even exist. A little logic goes a long way. A little long term planning on your dad's part would have saved him a lot of headache and money in the long run. Since the healthcare bill was passed, it has made it even LESS affordable for the rest of us.
Youve been brainwashed. The healthcare system is as corrupt as the oil business and that much is obvious. My father lost his insurance when he started his business, purchased it at an unreasonable rate after the business was up, had a heart attack and they dropped him. Now he cant get it again. If you dont work for a business that can offer healthcare, it is not affordable for the middle class. PS I was born blind in one eye, does this mean I should be denied Eye Care because I have a pre existing condition?

Besides your argument is invalid. Now that my parents dont have affordable healthcare, they just go to the emergency room after putting it off, file bankruptcy and you foot the bill in taxes. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif You pay for it one way or the other slick.

I do agree with you though, our country will surely falter if the CEOs dont get their mulit-billion dollar bonuses each quarter.

I am sure there are some exceptions to the fire dept statement, but you hardly addressed what I suggested. 99% of the US is covered under "socialist" fire care. You could argue that drinking water is dangerous because someone drowned in the ocean.

Also if I remember right youre required to carry car insurance, OOOHH AHHH SOCIALIZMMMMMZ

 
Youve been brainwashed.
One of us has... that's for sure.

The healthcare system is as corrupt as the oil business and that much is obvious.
Oh boy here we go.
My father lost his insurance when he started his business, purchased it at an unreasonable rate after the business was up, had a heart attack and they dropped him.
They covered the expenses incurred from the heart attack, then did the premium/risk analysis and saw that the amount of money he paid in premiums did not meet or exceed the amount of claims. With a heart attack, it is an ongoing problem and only going to get worse with age so they saw him as a money losing scenario. It is illegal for them to charge your dad with a higher premium proportional to his risk since he is a MUCH higher risk, so they dropped him. I'm not defending them, but you have to look at it from a business perspective. This isn't unicef. They are in business to make money.

Now he cant get it again. If you dont work for a business that can offer healthcare, it is not affordable for the middle class. PS I was born blind in one eye, does this mean I should be denied Eye Care because I have a pre existing condition?
You're switching from a business is evil to a hypothetical question to me. I will ask you a question. Since the healthcare bill has required me to have healthcare, and I am in the middle class paying for my own and the healthcare bill has made my premiums go WAY up, is it safe to say that I am now partially responsible for yours and your dad's medical coverage? If we went to single payer, would I not be responsible for your coverage then? I'm paying for a portion of it obviously so am I not partially responsible for it? If you answer no, please explain how you arrived at this conclusion. If you answered yes, why exactly should I be on the hook for your bad luck? I've had a lot of things go wrong in my life and never tried to hold you accountable for it, so why is this the moral thing to do?

Besides your argument is invalid. Now that my parents dont have affordable healthcare, they just go to the emergency room after putting it off, file bankruptcy and you foot the bill in taxes. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif You pay for it one way or the other slick.
Yeah and that's what the Republicans are trying to change and that's why you're so pissed off that they might be taking it away from you. Your hand in my pocket is about to be removed and you're kicking and screaming.
I do agree with you though, our country will surely falter if the CEOs dont get their mulit-billion dollar bonuses each quarter.
Remind me where I said that? What logic is this comment based on?

I am sure there are some exceptions to the fire dept statement, but you hardly addressed what I suggested. 99% of the US is covered under "socialist" fire care. You could argue that drinking water is dangerous because someone drowned in the ocean.
I would argue that you're incorrect. A district can simply request to be put on the ballot for removal from the fire district. It can't be denied where I come from and if they vote passes they are out. That's anything BUT socialism pal.

Also if I remember right youre required to carry car insurance, OOOHH AHHH SOCIALIZMMMMMZ
That is not true. It's a lie commonly perpetrated by those that have no bearing in reality or common sense. You are required to have car insurance IF YOU DRIVE. Ask how many New Yorkers pay it. It also is not there to cover YOUR CAR. It is there to cover any damage you do to someone else's car or their body. So, there is actually NO CORRELATION between the two. You have just shown how you do not possess sound logic.

 
Because it went up after the last election overnight and he doesnt have his hands in the back pocket of all the oil companies.
but now that it has happened again and bush isnt president shouldnt that tell us that it was never him to begin with? and if i remember right gas didnt go up after the election. it was at $1.75 at the beginning of 05

 
They covered the expenses incurred from the heart attack, then did the premium/risk analysis and saw that the amount of money he paid in premiums did not meet or exceed the amount of claims. With a heart attack, it is an ongoing problem and only going to get worse with age so they saw him as a money losing scenario. It is illegal for them to charge your dad with a higher premium since he is a MUCH higher risk, so they dropped him. I'm not defending them, but you have to look at it from a business perspective. This isn't unicef. They are in business to make money.
I do agree with you though, our country will surely falter if the CEOs dont get their mulit-billion dollar bonuses each quarter.

You're switching from a business is evil to a hypothetical question to me. I will ask you a question. Since the healthcare bill has required me to have healthcare, and I am in the middle class paying for my own and the healthcare bill has made my premiums go WAY up, is it safe to say that I am now partially responsible for yours and your dad's medical coverage? If we went to single payer, would I not be responsible for your coverage then? I'm paying for a portion of it obviously so am I not partially responsible for it? If you answer no, please explain how you arrived at this conclusion. If you answered yes, why exactly should I be on the hook for your bad luck? I've had a lot of things go wrong in my life and never tried to hold you accountable for it, so why is this the moral thing to do?
We live in a 3rd world country? We have socialized institutions for the greater good of the society. Healthcare is as important as being able to buy food from the grocery store. Premiums should go up for folks who have issues but not to the extent that they are now. I shouldnt have to pay 40k for 20k of service, and in any case if I have an emergency Im not going to be denied the emergency room. so youll pay for it one way or the other.

Yeah and that's what the Republicans are trying to change and that's why you're so pissed off that they might be taking it away from you. Your hand in my pocket is about to be removed and you're kicking and screaming.
So lets deny people the right to reasonable healthcare and watch the middle class decline into the squalor that is every other 3rd world country without a healthcare system.

Remind me where I said that? What logic is this comment based on?
LOL

I would argue that you're incorrect. A district can simply request to be put on the ballot for removal from the fire district. It can't be denied where I come from and if they vote passes they are out. That's anything BUT socialism pal.
Healthcare was on the ballot and it passed, thats anything but socialism pal.

That is not true. It's a lie commonly perpetrated by those that have no bearing in reality or common sense. You are required to have car insurance IF YOU DRIVE. Ask how many New Yorkers pay it. It also is not there to cover YOUR CAR. It is there to cover any damage you do to someone else's car or their body. So, there is actually NO CORRELATION between the two. You have just shown how you do not possess sound logic.
Legally Im not required to drive but in order to function in society I must drive a car. I am required to carry insurance on my car when I drive it. Sure I have the option to ride a horse to work but thats not reasonable either.

It is required to protect the other people in the event of an accident but I could argue the same for healthcare. If I get small pox and cant afford to visit the doctor and Im too sick to work then Ill go sit in front of your office and spread my disease to those who can afford to take care of it.

 
but now that it has happened again and bush isnt president shouldnt that tell us that it was never him to begin with? and if i remember right gas didnt go up after the election. it was at $1.75 at the beginning of 05
Youre an idiot for assuming that I was talking about a presidential election. When youre president has ties to oil companies and Saudi Oil Guru's hes gonna take some heat, just //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif whether responsible or not. I think Obama would take the same heat if he were to do the same things.

 
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