Repubs stab Obama in the back after he plays nice

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

the repeal will die in the Senate. I think this is the Republicans just showing their colors as not being politically friendly. I guarantee there was some backroom talks by the republicans shmoozing Obama over to approve the tax cuts (that IMO should NOT have been approved).
I am not saying he should go hard for the healthcare reform, i'm saying he should go hard shooting down all their legislation in the future. I'm fine with a political freeze for 2 years

It won't die in the senate, THE DEMS are trying to block it to ever getting a vote on the floor of the senate for political reasons. My insurance went up as did the majority of people who get insurance from where they work. This bill said it wouldn't raise costs and the little insurance "greed" card does not compute into the figures.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I would be upset with Obama if he wasn't facing enormous opposition for everything he does, but the Republicans just want to burn him for each decision good or bad in public. Where was all this chastisement when Bush ran up the deficit and created an imaginary war? Obama inherited a crapstorm.

The invasion of Afghanistan was a bipartisan decision, and in fact both parties, republicans AND democrats, both vied for the position of being seen as the driving force behind its inception (based on the notion of which party was the most 'patriotic'). Maybe you weren't old enough to see that unfold, like I did. Or maybe the partisan politics of our system have coaxed you into forgetting (very common). The only reason the invasion of Afghanistan went down in history as a republican initiative is because the republican party has traditionally been the party of pro national defense, so the democrats were fighting an uphill battle to look like they initiated the conflict. Dont believe me? Look it up.

The invasion of Iraq had support from many nations, and most experts agree things are better in Iraq now than they were before we invaded. Tell all those tens of thousands of muslim women who are now allowed to go to school, that the war to free them to make their own choices in life, was 'imaginary'.

As for republicans wanting to burn obama, you remember the bush era much differently than I do. If anything, democrats took their criticism to a new level of personal insults... how often were we told how stupid GW Bush was? Pics of him at his worst, sound bites of every mistake he made and every embarrassing situation he was in. As a relatively poor public speaker, a seeming inability to dance, and generally a bit clumsy, he was an easy target. And democrats took full advantage of every opportunity. So dont play this off as just some republican-only tactic of harassing the current commander in chief.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

BEFORE I AM LABELED A SOCIALIST, let me be clear it is not the policies that is my main focus in this thread (though i admit i lean a bit to the left) but rather the way the Republicans are trying to polarize the government. Both sides want to achieve the same goals they just go about it a different way. But when there's all this ugly name-calling and strong language going around, i cannot repect the Repubs. THE DEMS ARE NOT PERFECT, but IMO they have shown alot more class over the last 11 years and it has gotten them nowhere.

I just hope the government as a whole gets its act together and begins to work FOR THE PEOPLE. If not, we will go the way of the Romans and this great nation will collapse.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

The dems are plenty screwed up. They are the party that put into practice alot of screwed up legislation historically from the Jim Crow laws to Clinton's ultra-social policies. BUT i look at when the country has done its worst over the last 40 years, and Republicans can definitely accept that. They have dominated the political arena for a long time (save for Clinton's 8 years) and look at how bad this country has become.

Over those 40 years only 12 of those did republicans control congress the other 28 years the dems controlled the house and at worst had a 50/50 split in the senate. Being president does not mean you get what you want if both houses of congress do not want what you do.

 

[twistedchild420 5,000+ posts]

Texas is the main disgrace to Texas.

Come to Texas and say that..........

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

The invasion of Afghanistan was a bipartisan decision, and in fact both parties, republicans AND democrats, both vied for the position of being seen as the driving force behind its inception (based on the notion of which party was the most 'patriotic'). Maybe you weren't old enough to see that unfold, like I did. Or maybe the partisan politics of our system have coaxed you into forgetting (very common). The only reason the invasion of Afghanistan went down in history as a republican initiative is because the republican party has traditionally been the party of pro national defense, so the democrats were fighting an uphill battle to look like they initiated the conflict. Dont believe me? Look it up.
The invasion of Iraq had support from many nations, and most experts agree things are better in Iraq now than they were before we invaded. Tell all those tens of thousands of muslim women who are now allowed to go to school, that the war to free them to make their own choices in life, was 'imaginary'.

As for republicans wanting to burn obama, you remember the bush era much differently than I do. If anything, democrats took their criticism to a new level of personal insults... how often were we told how stupid GW Bush was? Pics of him at his worst, sound bites of every mistake he made and every embarrassing situation he was in. As a relatively poor public speaker, a seeming inability to dance, and generally a bit clumsy, he was an easy target. And democrats took full advantage of every opportunity. So dont play this off as just some republican-only tactic of harassing the current commander in chief.

if the Dems didn't agree with the war they would have looked unpatriotic, they had no choice but to. I won't go into my theories on how 9/11 came about, don't wanna go off tangent.

As for W looking stupid, I"m sure he is smarter than he appears, but their campaign was to make him look like a simple man. Mission accomplished. he played up the religious right and that "i'm just like you" card instead of trying to look like an intellectual strategic leader. Obama's campaign was not "i am a socialist" it was let's get some change going on. I see distinct differences, BUT i see your point, and it is note and valued.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

BEFORE I AM LABELED A SOCIALIST, let me be clear it is not the policies that is my main focus in this thread (though i admit i lean a bit to the left) but rather the way the Republicans are trying to polarize the government. Both sides want to achieve the same goals they just go about it a different way. But when there's all this ugly name-calling and strong language going around, i cannot repect the Repubs. THE DEMS ARE NOT PERFECT, but IMO they have shown alot more class over the last 11 years and it has gotten them nowhere.
I just hope the government as a whole gets its act together and begins to work FOR THE PEOPLE. If not, we will go the way of the Romans and this great nation will collapse.

LOL the republicans polarized this? Go back to the Bush years and what was said by libertards. How many people said kill Bush? How many were detained by the CIA? A UFC fighter says he wants to beat up Obama he gets a visit by the CIA within 72 hours......

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

Over those 40 years only 12 of those did republicans control congress the other 28 years the dems controlled the house and at worst had a 50/50 split in the senate. Being president does not mean you get what you want if both houses of congress do not want what you do.

good point, so lets look at the years when Republicans had power in Congress and the front office compared to the Dems when they had power in both. Which did better? Not saying one did better than the other, lets all look at what is there and decide for ourselves.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

BEFORE I AM LABELED A SOCIALIST, let me be clear it is not the policies that is my main focus in this thread (though i admit i lean a bit to the left) but rather the way the Republicans are trying to polarize the government. Both sides want to achieve the same goals they just go about it a different way. But when there's all this ugly name-calling and strong language going around, i cannot repect the Repubs. THE DEMS ARE NOT PERFECT, but IMO they have shown alot more class over the last 11 years and it has gotten them nowhere.
I just hope the government as a whole gets its act together and begins to work FOR THE PEOPLE. If not, we will go the way of the Romans and this great nation will collapse.

Both political parties have polarized the system (and the population). Those professional politicians feed off the polarization. If the parties get their followers to believe the other side is hell bent on destroying our country, then the politicians can get away with a lot of political corruption. The idea of the devil you know is better than the devil you dont. The more people fear the opposing political party, the more they will put up with from their own politicians. Look at Charlie Rangle... tax fraud... and he got the lightest slap on the wrist imaginable. If it had been you or me, we'd be looking at hefty fines and jail time. He got censured... in essence, his political peers saying "now now charlie, bad boy" and then dropping it. Pathetic. Where's the public out cry to remove him from office, and all his peers who basically enable the behavior by doing nothing?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

if the Dems didn't agree with the war they would have looked unpatriotic, they had no choice but to.

Ah, so even if that were true, it would mean those great, moral, ethical Democrats, all voted for something as heinous as war, that they disagreed with, just to save their political careers? Hell, I was giving the dems the benefit of the doubt by saying they simply changed their mind on the war, your account really assumes they are self centered assholes.

I dont think you are a socialist, you seem like a pretty reasonable person to me. Just one who sees politics differently than I do. I dont think you are a proximity, if that's what you were referring to.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

Ah, so even if that were true, it would mean those great, moral, ethical Democrats, all voted for something as heinous as war, that they disagreed with, just to save their political careers? Hell, I was giving the dems the benefit of the doubt by saying they simply changed their mind on the war, your account really assumes they are self centered assholes.
I dont think you are a socialist, you seem like a pretty reasonable person to me. Just one who sees politics differently than I do. I dont think you are a proximity, if that's what you were referring to.

i wouldn't say they are self-centered, but there is some self-preservation involved. I do self-preservation tactics everyday at work, in part to KEEP MY JOB. I think that's all the Dems were doing. I don't agree with it and was hoping the war was not approved, but political ******* is a muthafux.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

good point, so lets look at the years when Republicans had power in Congress and the front office compared to the Dems when they had power in both. Which did better? Not saying one did better than the other, lets all look at what is there and decide for ourselves.

The dot com bust happened under Clinton and went into the Bush era then we had 9/11. The "housing crisis" was signed into law under Clinton and was fought over BY DEMOCRATS not to re regulate because home ownership was a right. Fact the Dems had a regulator fired over this protecting a big Democrat donor in the process. What did Clinton do in his years for the economy? What did he do in his economy that made it better? He had very little to do with the tech boom in his era but the start of losing manufacturing jobs started under him as well. Clinton's EPA was ruled by a socialist and a DSA member and then destroyed all of her data just before Bush went into office. Under the Freedom of Information Act that was illegal and she was found in contempt of court.....funny thing is no one has punished her as of yet almost 8 years later.

 

[thegreatestpenn 5,000+ posts]

The dot com bust happened under Clinton and went into the Bush era then we had 9/11. The "housing crisis" was signed into law under Clinton and was fought over BY DEMOCRATS not to re regulate because home ownership was a right. Fact the Dems had a regulator fired over this protecting a big Democrat donor in the process. What did Clinton do in his years for the economy? What did he do in his economy that made it better? He had very little to do with the tech boom in his era but the start of losing manufacturing jobs started under him as well. Clinton's EPA was ruled by a socialist and a DSA member and then destroyed all of her data just before Bush went into office. Under the Freedom of Information Act that was illegal and she was found in contempt of court.....funny thing is no one has punished her as of yet almost 8 years later.

alright, now lets hear about what happened on the right under reagan and both bushes. As i said before the Dems are not perfect and did plenty of fuxed up stuff. I am aware of it and i acknowledge all of it. I feel the REpubs did worse stuff (i would list my findings, but a man's gotta go to work soon at my healthcare job).

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

i wouldn't say they are self-centered, but there is some self-preservation involved. I do self-preservation tactics everyday at work, in part to KEEP MY JOB. I think that's all the Dems were doing. I don't agree with it and was hoping the war was not approved, but political ******* is a muthafux.

We all use self preservation tactics to keep our jobs. But we arent publicly elected representatives whose job is to build, repair, and sustain a healthy, fair, and ethical society through politics.

 

[bones22 5,000+ posts]

Obama play nice with the tax cuts approval Obama Approves Tax Cut Extension, New Debit Card Fees: Weekly Wrap-up | MyBankTracker.com
Republicans turn around and stab him in the back with a repeal Health Care Repeal Vote Passes House

No use in playing nice with the Republicans Obama, GO HARD.

they didnt stab him in the back.

they just did exactly what they promised they were going to do. which was get rid of something that nobody wants inclunding dems