Religion?

[Goindef154 5,000+ posts]

These threads always make me feel so warm and cozy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Yeah, I graduated 6th grade science class too fuckhat. See above definition of theory and rethink your arbitrary use of middle school vocabulary words.
As an "educated human being", you really see no difference in the manner by which science seeks to define reality and the manner by which religion seeks to define reality? Really? You are clown shoes.

When and if you ever get to my level of intelligence, we'll have this conversation. So far you you fail.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

There is a very fundamentally incorrect assumption being made: that if we don't understand something, it must have been done or be controlled by a "god". This is the only reason god exists: to answer questions that are not currently answerable, and to "improve" the answers we are not comfortable with.

That would be all well and good if it weren't for the dangerous implications that believing such a thing creates.

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

There is a very fundamentally incorrect assumption being made: that if we don't understand something, it must have been done or be controlled by a "god". This is the only reason god exists: to answer questions that are not currently answerable, and to "improve" the answers we are not comfortable with.
That would be all well and good if it weren't for the dangerous implications that believing such a thing creates.

Could not the same thing be said about science? If we don't understand something, someday, science will explain it into our neat little world?

Checkmate! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Could not the same thing be said about science? If we don't understand something, someday, science will explain it into our neat little world?
Checkmate! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

Science doesn't pretend to understand something that is not observable. That is the difference.

The difference between science and religion is in the definition of each. I feel like you are pointing out something that should be obvious....that we are all entitled to our own beliefs. That doesn't, however, mean that all beliefs are equally plausible, nor does it mean that all beliefs are classified as "religion".

I'm a real PB and J religious zealot!

 

[pilyin 10+ year member]

Alright you hick, I'll spell it out for you, but understand that this is NOT a debate because I don't debate the inbred.
Do you know all of the fucking insanely heinous things going on in the world? And how many prayers are said every minute of every day to stop them? We are talking about things like GENOCIDE here, rube.

Here's the point, since I doubt homeschooling instilled a sense of logic in your warped mind:

Given these two facts-one, of course, that your dumb wife's gimp legs "healed after prayer"- and two, that there was no divine intervention to stop terrible crimes against mankind throughout history despite far more prayer than existed for your wife, only one of two things can be true:

1- God found it more just to make sure your lazy wife's legs don't smell like rotten eggs than stopping the ruthless extermination of a people.

2- A god does not answer prayers, and you and your family are not as important as you wish you were.

Most religious people seem driven by some sense of ego-maniacal lust for validation. If god did exist, and frankly I'm not even opposed to that idea, why would he SO selectively interfere with the life of one human being, who is alive for a nanosecond relative to the grand scheme of the universe?

Why are all religious people so determined to think that if a god DOES exist, that he would only be concerned with man--NOT ONLY MAN, but all of the painstaking TRIVIALITIES OF MAN--and not the BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF GALAXIES AND UNIVERSES THAT COMPRISE REALITY?!

Think for once in your life you hillbilly fuck.

It is very difficult to argue with a very narrow minded person that just call you names and doesn't really have anything.

1) I'm really not a hick. I don't live near any farms actually.

2) I went to public school throughout graduating from college with a very respectible GPA.

3) Being that I'm not inbred you should have no problem debating me without the petty name calling you resort to. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

4) Judging from your language and speech, I would say you really don't have the brains to call anyone dumb, let alone my wife. Also, I definitely wouldn't characterize her as lazy. She's actually a great wife.

5) I will not get mad no matter how many names you call me or my family on the internet, so really, calm down, try being respectful for once in you life, however I doubt you will, so name call away if it makes you feel better.

Anyways, to get on to what you said.

1) Man has a free will. If man didn't have a free will, there would be no point in living. If God began to interfere with the things that man does, that means there is no longer free will. If God forced someone to do something, than that is contradicting the free will that man was given. Just because there is a God's will, doesn't mean we do it all the time.

Because man has free will, he will do what he want and God will not stop him.

Also, God didn't find it just to heal my wife, he chose to do it because it would have an effect later in life. I don't know God's plan and don't pretend to so before you ask what effect it had other than on my life, I don't know.

2) Why does God care about us rather than all the stars and galaxies? Well, lets look at this from a Christian point of view, being that you asked it hypothetically as a Christian point of view question.

Jesus died for the sins of man. Man brings glory (or shame in some instances sadly) to God. Stars, Galaxies, etc. don't really bring glory to God. They were made to show off the glory of God so he really doesn't need to worry about them. They're just decorations. If he cared enough to send his son to die for our sins, I would say he cares enough about what's going on in our lives.

As to why do somethings happen so some people. I can't answer that. Ask Him.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

3) You state God does not answer prayers. Try sometime. You might be surprised because I've seen quite a few answered in mine and other peoples lives. The only thing is, God wont be held hostage by someone saying, if you don't do this, I wont believe you exist.

4) What happened to Jesus's body?

 

[pilyin 10+ year member]

These threads always make me feel so warm and cozy //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Almost like sitting by a nice, warm fireplace! Absolutely wonderful!

 

[BoomBoomBoy 10+ year member]

Science doesn't pretend to understand something that is not observable. That is the difference.

Sure science does everyday. How would you explain science projecting the beginning of the universe?

Totally a guess on science's part. GTFO! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

There is a very fundamentally incorrect assumption being made: that if we don't understand something, it must have been done or be controlled by a "god".

Even many Christians find this approach to be extremely dangerous.

God of the Gaps only works as long as there are gaps that need filled. The more gaps that are filled, the less room there is for god //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[crunktimes.com 5,000+ posts]

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[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Serious question for the religious that I've not seen talked about anywhere;

From what I recall of Genesis, it deals primarily with the creation of "Earth" and those things on earth...animals, plants, sea creatures, and most importantly "man" (humans). Sure, there's the creation of light and stars and heaven....but most of the time is spent talking on Earth.

So, hypothetically speaking.......how would your faith be affected if it were indisputably discovered that there is life elsewhere in the universe? Would this affect your faith in any way? That god created life other than that on earth which (from my understanding) isn't outlined anywhere in the bible or fundamentally in your faith?

Would it matter if the life was just a simple single celled organism? What about intelligent life? Say....the intelligence of a dog? Or intelligence ten times that of the human race?

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Serious question for the religious that I've not seen talked about anywhere;
From what I recall of Genesis, it deals primarily with the creation of "Earth" and those things on earth...animals, plants, sea creatures, and most importantly "man" (humans). Sure, there's the creation of light and stars and heaven....but most of the time is spent talking on Earth.

So, hypothetically speaking.......how would your faith be affected if it were indisputably discovered that there is life elsewhere in the universe? Would this affect your faith in any way? That god created life other than that on earth which (from my understanding) isn't outlined anywhere in the bible or fundamentally in your faith?

Would it matter if the life was just a simple single celled organism? What about intelligent life? Say....the intelligence of a dog? Or intelligence ten times that of the human race?

That may be a problem for those that are devout in their organized religion, but from merely a spiritual perspective I see that making no difference.

 

[Canyon Carver 10+ year member]

I do believe that jesus Christ died for my sins as he did for all of us, and that I am ghoing to heaven when I die,I try to live live my life accordingly and do what I can to help others.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

That may be a problem for those that are devout in their organized religion, but from merely a spiritual perspective I see that making no difference.

Yeah, it's probably more pointed towards the devout, bible-believing/following Christian.

It might not have as significant bearing on those with a broader or more unconventional (compared to Christianity) spirituality or view of "god". But I would have to gander a guess that by and large, the bible based Christian view is probably the most popularly held belief in the US among the religious.

But anyways, was just curious //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Never really heard much discussion of this aspect of Christianity or religion in general.

 

[mokedaddy 5,000+ posts]

Yeah, it's probably more pointed towards the devout, bible-believing/following Christian.
It might not have as significant bearing on those with a broader or more unconventional (compared to Christianity) spirituality or view of "god". But I would have to gander a guess that by and large, the bible based Christian view is probably the most popularly held belief in the US among the religious.

But anyways, was just curious //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif Never really heard much discussion of this aspect of Christianity or religion in general.

I do definitely agree with this. Although it appears to me as the number of those that 'think outside the box' so to speak are growing in numbers with the younger generations. But still considerably outnumbered by those that practice 'by the book'