Religion

[mikeyboc 10+ year member]

but that has nothing to do with the arguement. Can you make life out of inorganic substances?
and i never admitted he was shady. I just said no matter how shady he may be, just to go along with jim's whole shadiness thing. I don't care if he's shady. you still dont have anything on that arguement.

but what about my question from my previous post?

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

he does make very valid points, though. No matter how shady he may be, many of his arguements are irrefutable. basically, my favorite is, how did something come from nothing? there is no way that something inorganic could make something organic. never. ever. scientists will never do it, the earth will never do it by itself. There is no way to take several inorganic substances and mix them together and make life.

In addition to Phrozt's point, the fact remains...

Science definitely doesn't know how life got there in the first place, and no religion can prove their point without taking some things on faith. Kind of the point, really //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

You believe what you want, and I'll believe what I think. But it's impossible to definitively say "This is what happened". No. It's what you believe happened.

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

ok, then go stick some space rocks and some water and maybe some hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen in a jar and tell me if something comes to life.

While I'm doing that, why don't you go scoop some flour, milk, and put it with an egg in a bowl and see if you have a cake suddenly appear.

Are you dumb or just retarded?

 

[mikeyboc 10+ year member]

ah, missed that one.
Science can't prove that the universe came from an infinately dense ball of matter. does that mean it never happened?

I can sit here all day and show you evidence of God's existance but chances are that you'll just call it religious baloney. It's a matter of faith, bro. I choose to believe in God because I have faith in him, and I don't need science to tell me there's a God.

The same can be said for the other side of the argument as well.

edit: just for the record, I have never tried to discredit the existance of God, just the validity of the Bible.

 

[mikeyboc 10+ year member]

The fact is that neither side can support their claims of how life came to be.

 

[*Ace* 10+ year member]

ok, then go stick some space rocks and some water and maybe some hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen in a jar and tell me if something comes to life.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif You know, I can't even really have a valid argument with you because you see...... well here, let me draw you a picture, it'll probably be easier for you to understand. The following is where einstein, you and normal people stand intelligence wise.

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[FoxPro5 5,000+ posts]

he does make very valid points, though. No matter how shady he may be, many of his arguements are irrefutable. basically, my favorite is, how did something come from nothing? there is no way that something inorganic could make something organic. never. ever. scientists will never do it, the earth will never do it by itself. There is no way to take several inorganic substances and mix them together and make life.

In the Godhead...or the Tao...there is pure potential. There is No-thing. If God is the utilmate source/reason for every-thing...than everying in the created universe comes from no-thing.

Think of it this way: Spirit + Matter = Consciousness. In other words, existance is purely the union between spirit and matter. Anything and everthing in the created space is just God's big idea.

Quatum physics has shown that an atom can be at two places at the same time. Modern string theory shows that matter can exist in 7 different planes. It is up to the observer (ie human consciousness)to DECIDE where and how it will exist. THat is your gift from God. The power of choice. If you actually used it effectly, you would be a complete knuckelhead to follow any dogmatic religion!!

You all need to watch the movie What The Bleep Do We Know to get a basic understanding of this. http://www.whatthebleep.com

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Evolutionists are the dumb ones because they are basically believing that if they mix the ingredients, life will miraculously appear.

You make the same mistake Hovind makes. Before you disagree with someone, make sure you understand what you're disagreeing with.

Darwin and the entire basis of macroevolution states nothing about the origins of life. That can't be explained with finches and monkeys and the like. It may never be fully understood. But don't confuse the issue...

 

[Phrozt 10+ year member]

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the point is that if you mix wrong amounts of the things together in the wrong way and do NOTHING to it... you will not have a cake.

It takes more than just throwing a random amount of crap together. That was my point.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Theoretically, you can not have good without evil. If we lived in a world without evil, no one would know the joys of the good.

why did god give us feelings? he is so mighty he could of had everybody feel good all the time. if god exists, who could've did whatever he wanted to when created the world, so why give us feelings or negative feelings? just make us happy all of the time

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Happy people are hard to control...

Evil serves a very useful social function...

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I believe that there are many avenues to belief. Some of the people at my work believe that you must believe in the bible and a religious structure to achieve salvation. I think science may be another avenue to lead us there.

I am agnostic in that I believe in the possibility of god, but I don't think it is possible to know. You can feel it or believe it to be true, but you don't know. You believe because you want to believe, which isn't a bad thing.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Happy people are hard to control...
Evil serves a very useful social function...

if there is a God he could control that. you are thinking about people now, not before man was created. why where we made like humans? why not slither on the ground like snakes, and reproduce by farting at each other?

 

[*Ace* 10+ year member]

If you're so smart, go and create life out of inorganic materials. Then I will bow down to you.

Ok, I honestly don't know what to say. I feel like I'm trying to explain evolution to a 6 year old. Evolution didn't happen over night. Earth didn't appear over night. The universe didn't appear over night. A couple of rocks weren't thrown into a pot and magically they created other substances. Billions of years went by before what you see today came to be. Sure, I could spend hours online getting all the information you need to expalin how all organic substances came to be, but in the end it would be a waste because you still wouldn't understand. You throwing yourself into a topic that is over your head. It's like trying to teach a monkey calculus

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

No, I'm not dumb because I recognize that if I mix the ingredients together, nothings gonna happen. Evolutionists are the dumb ones because they are basically believing that if they mix the ingredients, life will miraculously appear.

No, they don't think anything will miraculously appear. If they did they would be creationists. Scientists (from what I know) don't really believe in miracles as they want to find an explanation.