Received my 2x 12" RE XXX... But...

[HHawk 10+ year member]

Okay thanks for your input.

 

[HHawk 10+ year member]

I emailed with someone from Bladeice.com (Am Singh) and he said the following:

Yes 750wrms is fine for SQ and SQL.

If you wish to load into a sealed enclosure run a box of approx 1cuft with a QTC of 0.623 with a QL of 6.651

So... Guess I am okay?

 

[mittal]

its very possible they sent the XXXs cos they were out of the brahmas... i was searching for brahmas too and i am in india... the thing is that adire is shifting their manufacturing facilty to mexico or something and there is serious shortages of their subs at the moment... anyhow...the XXXs are excellent subs and you should not be concerned if its the sound u r worried about. They will thump.. but if u still want the brahmas...call them and ask them to change it.. they ll have to... but u might have to wait for a while for the adires... good luck

 

[ksin291 10+ year member]

I have used both the XXX and Brahma and I recommend that with that amount of power and the fact that you're more interested in the SQ of the subs make them get you the brahmas. I tried my XXX in several different enclosure ranging from sealed to ported of different volumes and tuning and could not get the XXX to sound the way I wanted it to. The Brahma and XXX are different subs, the only thing they share is XBL^2. Call RE or Adire and they will tell you the same thing.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Interesting since I and alot of people Ive talked to have a hard time telling the sound of a brahma versus a XXX. In a blind test, no way. But I do agree that power range is more suited for the brahma than the xxx and would work better in this app.

 

[ksin291 10+ year member]

Interesting since I and alot of people Ive talked to have a hard time telling the sound of a brahma versus a XXX. In a blind test, no way. But I do agree that power range is more suited for the brahma than the xxx and would work better in this app.

This is the second time that you have mentioned that blind test when I stated my preference for the Brahma. IMO the Brahma sounds better to me and also worked better in my application. It required a smaller enclosure, didn't need as much power and had a better sound. That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Are you suggesting that I really didn't hear a difference between the subs? Maybe it was a placebo effect? No like I said earlier I preferred the Brahma, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

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Call RE and ask them if the Brahma and the XXX sound the same and see what they tell you.

 

[RandyJ 10+ year member]

Everyone I have talked with who has experience with both subs and is unbiased said that the XXX had an odd sound, and they preffered the Brahma.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

This is the second time that you have mentioned that blind test when I stated my preference for the Brahma. IMO the Brahma sounds better to me and also worked better in my application. It required a smaller enclosure, didn't need as much power and had a better sound. That is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Are you suggesting that I really didn't hear a difference between the subs? Maybe it was a placebo effect? No like I said earlier I preferred the Brahma, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
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Call RE and ask them if the Brahma and the XXX sound the same and see what they tell you.

Im not suggesting anything, simply stating my experience in this regard, as its been alot different than yours. We both have a diff opinion, no biggy.

Everyone I have talked with who has experience with both subs and is unbiased said that the XXX had an odd sound, and they preffered the Brahma.

As for the XXX having an 'odd sound', that's news to me. You're the first unbiased person Ive seen even mention this. What sort of odd sound?

I really get sick of the wind blowing different directions from day to day on these boards. Not long ago the RE and Adire boner was in full swing, and everyone said the Brahma and XXX sound almost exactly alike (and I agree), but the Brahma had the -slight- edge in SQ while the xxx had the -slight- edge in SPL. Even Steven Kephart (or maybe it was Dan) said they were extrermely similar in sound but the Brahma was (again) designed a bit more towards SQ while the XXX was geared a bit more towards output). Here's a thread talking about the two subs, most people agree'ing they are very similar in sound but that their efficiencies were their main difference (power reqs):

http://www.caraudio.com/vb/showthread.php?t=73163&highlight=brahma+xxx

Here are a few quotes from this thread alone:

"I personally would get a XXX because of the look of the sub. I prefer it. But, as for sound, they both are great. I have only heard a XXX and every1 says the brahma is almost the exact same. So they both kick ***."

"Anyways, they still sound the same to me. Both in similiar boxes with about the same amount of power. Played 4 or 5 tracks. Both bass'd. Both sounded **** clean.

Guess its a matter of look and price."

"your ears cannot tell the difference in sounds so buy the one that looks best and fits your install!...yeah I meant you cannot tell the difference between the XXX and Brahma...isnt that what the thread is about?"

"doesnt matter you wont notice a difference between the 2, go with what you think looks best"

Alot of people there saying the same thing, they sound very much alike. I didn't find one person saying they sounded drastically different, or that the xxx had anyodd noises over the Brahma. Even Steven Kephart suggested they were very similar, giving the SQ edge to the Brahma but making the point that the power available was the biggest deciding factor between the two. It just seems like the wind blows one way, and the whole board sways with it (they sound the same), then the breeze shifts away from the RE boner and now all the sudden they sound totally different, the Brahma being vastly better of course, and the xxx just sounding 'odd'. lol It never ends. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

This is in no way meant to offend either of you guys. I have me opinion, the people on that thread have theirs, you have yours. I respect yours, mine is just different. Peace.

 

[tRiGgEr 5,000+ posts]

I still love my XXX and will never hate it. No reason 2.

 

[RandyJ 10+ year member]

Don't take what I was saying wrong, I didn't say it in an attempt to degrade the XXX, the people I talked to though just mentioned that it was a different sound then all the other woofers they had ever experienced. And I say they are unbiased because they are not loyal to one certain company, all three of them having adequate experience with TC, Adire, RE, DD and Kicker.

But you do have a point, I can't go giving opinions when I have yet to hear a XXX, so if anyone wished to look into my previous statement, contact me and I will put you in contact with those whom I was speaking of.

From a technical standpoint, I still think the Brahmas would suit his current scenario better. Less power and less space. The Brahmas are known to perform at full potential at even half the rated power (keep in mind the rating is only thermal). They also tend to have better results in smaller sealed enclosures.

I will try and find winISD and plot the two out for you, giving a rough estimate of what can be expected and which will perform how in what field.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Nooblet, no worries here, like I say, everyone is entitled to an opinion. And contrary to popular belief, I think its okay to voice an opinion without having heard the speaker in question, so long as the person states this (like says they are speaking on what they've read, not personal experience). All input is good so long as its placed in the proper context. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

And I also agree I think the Brahma would work better in this application.

 

[ksin291 10+ year member]

Nooblet, no worries here, like I say, everyone is entitled to an opinion. And contrary to popular belief, I think its okay to voice an opinion without having heard the speaker in question, so long as the person states this (like says they are speaking on what they've read, not personal experience). All input is good so long as its placed in the proper context. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
And I also agree I think the Brahma would work better in this application.

Well I wasn't try to jump down your throat or anything I was just explaining my position. I'm not jumping on the latest forum boner I was speaking from experience. I've owned both subs, the XXX first and then the Brahma.

I tried the XXX in different enclosure's and still couldn't find the sweet spot. I sold it picked up the Brahma and put it in one of the enclosure's that I builf for the XXX (2^3 ft. tuned to 30 Hz.) and I absolutely loved the Brahma. I heard a difference between the two, the XXX performed pretty well in a 2.5^3 ft. enclosure tuned to 32 Hz. It still didn't meet my expectations, probably due to all of the hype (boner's) on the forums. That probably is partly my fault as I fell into the "hype" but hey that's the way it is. The Brahma seemed to fit the bill for me and actually I owned one for a pretty long time (for me anyway).

I tend to swap out my subs alot being that I love to try out new stuff . I will say that I do miss my Brahma and I wish that I would have kept it in my collection. Especially after reading that Adire plans to change it and bump it down to the second sub in the line after the Tumult.

Anyway everyone is entitled to their opinion and I don't have any ill will towards you audioholic. Once so great about this hobby is that their is a solution to satisfy everybody and that we have places like forums to talk about what we love. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/woot.gif.aaa6090e619a97b6090d16dd863c5a69.gif

 

[Warbleed 10+ year member]

Anyone who claims that X driver sounds better with Y amount of watts is full of shit. It is simply FALSE that a driver could EVER be more accurate with more power. Some people are easily duped by myths and illogical ideas.

They'll sound fine with that power. Anyone who says you need more power for them to sound better doesn't understand how subwoofers (or any driver, for that matter) actually works...

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

warbleed, I dont think anyone is making any claims on SQ versus power input. I know Im referring to the fact that the Brahma requires less power than the xxx to get full tilt. And 1000 watts is much closer to the Brahma's power needs than the xxx. *shrug*

Once so great about this hobby is that their is a solution to satisfy everybody and that we have places like forums to talk about what we love. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/woot.gif.aaa6090e619a97b6090d16dd863c5a69.gif

I agree, well said. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Warbleed 10+ year member]

warbleed, I dont think anyone is making any claims on SQ versus power input. I know Im referring to the fact that the Brahma requires less power than the xxx to get full tilt. And 1000 watts is much closer to the Brahma's power needs than the xxx. *shrug*



I agree, well said. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

People are though. One person claimed that the XXX sounded bad with 1kW, but better with more power. That makes absolutely NO sense at all, yet still such peculiar claims are made rather frequently.

I agree that the Brahma will be able to manage more output with the same amount of power, but a pair of XXX 12s with that amount of power are still going to have far more output than is necessary for balanced musical reproduction.

In fact, you could still easily have grossly disproportionate bass with that amount of power on those drivers.