"Congress sued to remove prez from white house"

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I think he should have been allowed to run. They were pushed into it simply because he is black. If that was a white guy with a questionable past they wouldnt have let him run. It is not being a sore loser its making sure the rules are followed. More like the Democracts being sneaking and only out for whats best for them

Make that a "questioned" past.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

I mean that's funny and all, completely inappropriate but funny.
I just thought every black person in the US thought OBama was the best thing since MLK Jr..

There are A LOT of black republicans in the south. A LOT!

 

[mikesmith0890 10+ year member]

Duece.. wtf are you making out all white people to be racist? That truly makes you sound uneducated and a jack@$$ to boot. There's nothing wrong with a black man being president, as long as he does the job right. It's the same for anyone, whether they be male, female, white, hispanic, or black. I'm white, and I voted for McCain, i simply disagreed with many of Obama's ideas. The fact that he won.. great for him.. but don't sit here and call all white people racist.. it really just makes you a dumbshit.

thanks and have a nice day //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

If any of you think that anything will come of this you are nutz. The courts had ample opportunity to act on this before the inauguration and they didn't. They dam sure are not about to make any ruling that would be a step in removing Obama from office and if you care about the country you will hope that they do not. If that ever happened the country would probably fall into a civil war.

Besides, it sounds like the guy was born in Hawaii.

so blowing over the constitution is the answer? It does not matter if he was born in Hawaii or not...He was a citizen of Indonesia when he was a child and for that to happen he either lost his US citizenship or had dual citizenship in which EITHER CASE disqualifies him.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

are you racists still going on about this? Sad that you people can't accept a black President

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I'm white, and I voted for McCain

Big surprise there

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

are you racists still going on about this? Sad that you people can't accept a black President

I can accept him if he is legit and actually does something that makes sense...but of course I guess it is ok to totally ignore the constitution now though huh? because Bush was "so bad" and congress is so great LMAO

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

so blowing over the constitution is the answer? It does not matter if he was born in Hawaii or not...He was a citizen of Indonesia when he was a child and for that to happen he either lost his US citizenship or had dual citizenship in which EITHER CASE disqualifies him.

I haven't looked into that, and I am not willing to accept the conclusions you stated without doing so. I just don't know that a). he was ever an Indonesian citizen under the laws of Indonesia, or b.) that he would have lost any rights of citizenship at that time.

I mean, he was a child so I don't know how he could have had the capacity to give up his rights as a U.S citizen.

But no, I don't think we would be better off pursuing this at this point.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

I haven't looked into that, and I am not willing to accept the conclusions you stated without doing so. I just don't know that a). he was ever an Indonesian citizen under the laws of Indonesia, or b.) that he would have lost any rights of citizenship at that time.
I mean, he was a child so I don't know how he could have had the capacity to give up his rights as a U.S citizen.

But no, I don't think we would be better off pursuing this at this point.

Most all who are pressing the issue are lawyers, 2 of which held positions for the Clinton administration. They pretty well have it pegged down to a couple of scenarios and Obama refuses to show. I mean he asked about McCain (or his campaign did) and McCain was forced to show and for some odd reason Obama doesn't?:laugh:It is a pretty simple thing to prove.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Most all who are pressing the issue are lawyers, 2 of which held positions for the Clinton administration. They pretty well have it pegged down to a couple of scenarios and Obama refuses to show. I mean he asked about McCain (or his campaign did) and McCain was forced to show and for some odd reason Obama doesn't?:laugh:It is a pretty simple thing to prove.

IDK, I thought the State of Hawaii had taken the position he was born there and documents had been produced to that effect. But assuming that he was born there, my gut instinct is that he would not lose his citizenship simply because he was adopted by the Indonesian husband of his mother. I think that itself would run afoul of the Constitutional requirement for due process.

 

[mikesmith0890 10+ year member]

Big surprise there

and guess what.. I'm also an educated man in law school. So bite the bullet already, you are the one sitting here being racist.

and big surprise? Yeah that sounds real intelligent, I like Obama hopefully he'll make a good president, I just happened to agree with McCain on most of the issues. I also live in a town that has voted Republican dominantly for the last 20 some odd years and is 60-70% white, and they just so happened to vote for Obama.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

IDK, I thought the State of Hawaii had taken the position he was born there and documents had been produced to that effect. But assuming that he was born there, my gut instinct is that he would not lose his citizenship simply because he was adopted by the Indonesian husband of his mother. I think that itself would run afoul of the Constitutional requirement for due process.

according to those lawyers it does effect his citizenship and from my understanding he has not shown anything to anyone of any type of circumstance to disprove any of this. It gets thrown out based on POLITICS not law!

If the want to do Constitutional amendments fine, but play by the law before you try to fix it. He also went to Pakistan as a child or young adult while they were under marshal law. No US citizens could enter the country.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

according to those lawyers it does effect his citizenship and from my understanding he has not shown anything to anyone of any type of circumstance to disprove any of this. It gets thrown out based on POLITICS not law!

Factchecker concluded that the docs were produced and genuine:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Disclaimer: I have no idea how reliable factchecker is, lol.

As for the lawyers who brought the suit, I am not going to defer to their opinions. I have no idea whether they know diddly about any of this, but I do know there are all types of lawyers, and they are just as subject to being biased as anyone else. Until I have some reason to trust their opinions, I will go with my gut on this one.

 

[audiolife 5,000+ posts]

Factchecker concluded that the docs were produced and genuine:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Disclaimer: I have no idea how reliable factchecker is, lol.

As for the lawyers who brought the suit, I am not going to defer to their opinions. I have no idea whether they know diddly about any of this, but I do know there are all types of lawyers, and they are just as subject to being biased as anyone else. Until I have some reason to trust their opinions, I will go with my gut on this one.

Fact check is NOTHING OFFICIAL and by any standard. They also produce a pic that was proven to have been doctored. They took a hex editor to prove that. Also IF is was already proven why can't or won't he prove it again and put down the angry mob? Even IF fact check was right that still does nothing about him becoming a citizen of Indonesia

 

[D1g1tal V3n0m 10+ year member]

IDK, I thought the State of Hawaii had taken the position he was born there and documents had been produced to that effect. But assuming that he was born there, my gut instinct is that he would not lose his citizenship simply because he was adopted by the Indonesian husband of his mother. I think that itself would run afoul of the Constitutional requirement for due process.

They have taken a position but have not provided anything other then a "live birth certificate" which was said to be a forgery by forensic scientists and did not include any information for the hospital, doctor that delivered baby Obama, or anything.

"Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's (Barrack Obama) birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances."

The record and all records pertaining to Obama's birth and such have been sealed. One of the reasons given to the sealing of Obama's Birth Certificate according to Hawaii is for Identity Theft Protection. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Which ever it is still the law today. Also this has been going on since even Obama won the primary. This case is and was started and is still being pressed by a democrat, as I recall the majority who are pressing it were Clinton supporters.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Oh I know believe me. Look at the case currently against Hilary and her ineligibility to be Secretary of State.

The problem is if you, myself or anyone else can't bring a case challenging someone's eligibility then who can? When we go to apply for a job we have to show proof and have background checks. Why is it that Obama shouldn't have to show us as technically we are his employers.