Question about upgrading battery

[msrpIZtooMUCH 10+ year member]

Is it worthwhile to add batteries, replace a stock battery with another battery that is deep cycle and/or has more cranking amps/CCAs if the stereo is never played without the engine running and the alternator has more than enough output to meet all electrical demand???

If so, why??

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[guting 10+ year member]

in your case your just gaining the properties of a deep cycle. might as well keep the stock one.

 

[blackbonnie 5,000+ posts]

yeah if your electrical system can keep up with it and not have any problems, and you dont play it with the car off then you can keep the stock one.

 

[msrpIZtooMUCH 10+ year member]

Thats what I thought.

Once the vehicle is started the battery is only used if and when the alternator can't keep up with demand.

But, how are Kinetik batteries allowing people to hit 180 decibles??? The engines are running while they do that, right???

 

[guting 10+ year member]

But, how are Kinetik batteries allowing people to hit 180 decibles??? The engines are running while they do that, right???

you serious?

 

[msrpIZtooMUCH 10+ year member]

you serious?

It does look that way...either that or they are misleading their customers. But there are enough eye witnesses to keep them from lying. Check it out:

http://www.kinetikaudio.com/powercells.asp

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Thats what I thought.
Once the vehicle is started the battery is only used if and when the alternator can't keep up with demand.

But, how are Kinetik batteries allowing people to hit 180 decibles??? The engines are running while they do that, right???

Of all the things you would attribute to a vehicle hitting 180db, you think the battery name brand had that much to do with it? Yep, without Kinetik, that truck would have hit mid 150's... maybe.

You've already answered your own question. If the charging system is already sufficient, how much gain can you expect from an upgrade? Your system might bump up to 160-165db's with Kinetiks, but 180 is probably a bit unrealistic.

If you dont realize my last sentence was sarcasm, order the batt and find out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[msrpIZtooMUCH 10+ year member]

Of all the things you would attribute to a vehicle hitting 180db, you think the battery name brand had that much to do with it? Yep, without Kinetik, that truck would have hit mid 150's... maybe.
You've already answered your own question. If the charging system is already sufficient, how much gain can you expect from an upgrade? Your system might bump up to 160-165db's with Kinetiks, but 180 is probably a bit unrealistic.

If you dont realize my last sentence was sarcasm, order the batt and find out. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Just because something is sufficient does not mean that there is no room for improvement in performance and/or reliability.

I am not saying that Kinetik batteries are the main contributing factor involved in hitting 180 DBs, I just happened to see that "Team Kinetik" is part of the "180 DB Club" and that the majority of car audio gurus seem to be using them + claiming that no other battery can match them. I figured that they must be doing something that conventional wet cell batteries don't...maybe due to low ESR etc. otherwise they would not be so common in the car audio world (twisting around my words to make a point here too....jeez, go read a book!!).

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Just because something is sufficient does not mean that there is no room for improvement in performance and/or reliability.
I am not saying that Kinetik batteries are the main contributing factor involved in hitting 180 DBs, I just happened to see that "Team Kinetik" is part of the "180 DB Club" and that the majority of car audio gurus seem to be using them + claiming that no other battery can match them. I figured that they must be doing something that conventional wet cell batteries don't...maybe due to low ESR etc. otherwise they would not be so common in the car audio world (twisting around my words to make a point here too....jeez, go read a book!!).

I guess we have a different idea of what sufficient means. Sufficient, at very least, should mean upgrades will show minimal gains. *shrug*

"twisting around my words to make a point here too....jeez, go read a book!!"

You are a defensive little shit, aren't you? I guess I've learned my lesson, no more replies trying to answer your noobie questions.

Have a nice evening.

 

[msrpIZtooMUCH 10+ year member]

I guess we have a different idea of what sufficient means. Sufficient, at very least, should mean upgrades will show minimal gains. *shrug*
"twisting around my words to make a point here too....jeez, go read a book!!"

You are a defensive little shit, aren't you? I guess I've learned my lesson, no more replies trying to answer your noobie questions.

Have a nice evening.

That did not take you long. You are on top of things arn't you?? But, what else would you be doing besides hovering around an internet forum keeping tabs on all the recent posts? After all, a guy like you can't have much else going on in life. Just don't stop, we are having too much fun over here. You have no idea!!

Now back to the subject at hand...

Sufficient as I see it: adequate for the purpose or of a quantity that can fulfill a need but without being abundant. Are we on the same page?? Do you disagree??

Sufficient in a car audio context to me would mean functional, but without headroom. You add in that headroom and the part (amp, alt, battery etc) operates more efficiently, builds less heat and so on. To me that is a big "gain" because the parts will last longer and on top of that there is room for additions to the system without having to change out existing parts...another gain. Whether this is all minimal or not is subjective I guess.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

That did not take you long. You are on top of things arn't you?? But, what else would you be doing besides hovering around an internet forum keeping tabs on all the recent posts? After all, a guy like you can't have much else going on in life. Just don't stop, we are having too much fun over here. You have no idea!!
Now back to the subject at hand...

Sufficient as I see it: adequate for the purpose or of a quantity that can fulfill a need but without being abundant. Are we on the same page?? Do you disagree??

Sufficient in a car audio context to me would mean functional, but without headroom. You add in that headroom and the part (amp, alt, battery etc) operates more efficiently, builds less heat and so on. To me that is a big "gain" because the parts will last longer and on top of that there is room for additions to the system without having to change out existing parts...another gain. Whether this is all minimal or not is subjective I guess.

Hey look, the defensive little shit came back for more *** abuse. Bend over kid.
WTF are you talking about? You seem to be an expert on me, and my life, for someone who has never met me. Let me fill you in, smart ***. Im a mechanical engineer, I make 6 figures a year working out of my home, I own more/nicer cars than you, I own more/nicer stereo stuff than you, and you'd probably cream your diapers if you saw my g/f. So please, the false guesses about me, and my motives, dont bother me in the least. Actually, the fact that I have a life I know you'd envy is actually quite amusing.

Now, are we done with that crap? Good. Lets move on to you being an arguementative ahole.

Im tired of arguing semantical debates with you like what 'short' means or if we define 'sufficient' the same. Jesus, come up with an interesting arguement. Sufficient means it will suffice. Sufficient means "the alternator has more than enough output to meet all electrical demand". A 'sufficient' alternator does its job. Headroom in an alt... not necessary. Its not an amplifier with thd levels. Oops, here I am being helpful again... I forgot who Im talking to. Your question to start this thread was 'gee if my alt is already big enough, what happens if I upgrade?'. Now you want to argue the term 'sufficient'. Every point I made in that first post, and since, is irrelevant to your definition of sufficient. My points still stand: if its big enough already, and gains you'd see would be minimal at best.

Go ahead, keep arguing what the definition of 'sufficient' is. You do seem to love rolling around in the semantical mud puddles on this site. Knock yourself out.

But, if you'd like to continue about your original noob questions that started this thread, I might continue. Lets see what happens...

 

[msrpIZtooMUCH 10+ year member]

Hey look, the defensive little shit came back for more *** abuse. Bend over kid.
WTF are you talking about? You seem to be an expert on me, and my life, for someone who has never met me. Let me fill you in, smart ***. Im a mechanical engineer, I make 6 figures a year working out of my home, I own more/nicer cars than you, I own more/nicer stereo stuff than you, and you'd probably cream your diapers if you saw my g/f. So please, the false guesses about me, and my motives, dont bother me in the least. Actually, the fact that I have a life I know you'd envy is actually quite amusing.

Now, are we done with that crap? Good. Lets move on to you being an arguementative ahole.

Im tired of arguing semantical debates with you like what 'short' means or if we define 'sufficient' the same. Jesus, come up with an interesting arguement. Sufficient means it will suffice. Sufficient means "the alternator has more than enough output to meet all electrical demand". A 'sufficient' alternator does its job. Headroom in an alt... not necessary. Its not an amplifier with thd levels. Oops, here I am being helpful again... I forgot who Im talking to. Your question to start this thread was 'gee if my alt is already big enough, what happens if I upgrade?'. Now you want to argue the term 'sufficient'. Every point I made in that first post, and since, is irrelevant to your definition of sufficient. My points still stand: if its big enough already, and gains you'd see would be minimal at best.

Go ahead, keep arguing what the definition of 'sufficient' is. You do seem to love rolling around in the semantical mud puddles on this site. Knock yourself out.

But, if you'd like to continue about your original noob questions that started this thread, I might continue. Lets see what happens...

Here you are trying to prove yourself in a setting like this???

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Anyways, my question was about how involved the battery is once the car is started and if one is any better than another when the motor is running if the alt can handle the load. I started thinking about this upon reading about Kinetik.

My alt sems to run hotter as I increase the amp load as per my laser thermometer. Plus, whenever I bench test an alt (done this a couple of times) it is hot as hell to the touch when the test is over. On top of that, the more capable the alt, the cooler they seem to run compared to the less capable alt at any given amp load...again as per the laser thermometer. I am not an alt expert, but heat seems to be the enemy and the "bigger" the alt the less heat I see.

 

[Rawr-DQ 10+ year member]

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