Phoenix Gold **** now!!! What happen??

[oua]

First off - I am a huge phoenix gold fan. I can almost buy anything with a "phoenix gold" logo on it. NOT ANYMORE - NOW A DAYS PHOENIX GOLD ARE MANUFACTURING JUNKS. (At least for me on my quality scale)

I am looking to purchase some phoenix gold amps & maybe speakers for my second car.

I had a chance to look closely at the new phoenix gold series. Listen too some - even opened up a few to look at the worksmanship. The Titanium Series, Octane Series, Xenon Series. I just ruled out the Tantrum since it would be too low of a grade for me. I only prefer FlagShip Design. (Didn't get to consider the Elite Series though - No one I know seem to have them - Not even the shop carry them for DEMOs).

These new series are manufacturer like your mainstream audio product - What happen to "phoenix gold quality." Looking at the build quality - look like PG went the "mass production" route instead of the original "quality built - just not another amp" route. Look like these are made in CHINA. (I am not sure which is the exact country but sure looks cheaply built)

I think I can live with the titanium series or elite series- if buy all new stuff - they seem to still carry some quality. The rest of the series. Definitely a PASS.

These guys use to make some very high quality stuff. Today they are part of the Best Buy / Circuit City car stereo chain.

They are decent for the average consumer. Definitely not for an audiophile person.

These newer phoenix gold series are "just another amp to flood the market", "just another speaker to flood the market".

2005 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 V8 Sport Edition

Sony CDX-C90 (Head Unit w/ Digital Out)

Sonic Impact Optical Glass TosLink

Sony XDP-4000x (Sound Processor w/ Digital In & Analog Out)

PG Musical Reference RCA

PG TBAT2 (Analog to Digital)

PG XBC Balance Cable ThroughOut

PG ZPX2 (3 Way CrossOver)

PG ZPA 0.3 (High & Mids) - Eclipse 8061

PG ZPA 0.3 (Mid Bass) - Eclipse Aluminum 8"

PG ZBS4 (Split For Subs)

PG ZPA 0.5 (Sub 1) - Eclipse Titanium 12

PG ZPA 0.5 (Sub 2) - Eclipse Titanium 12

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[Mackenzie 10+ year member]

First off - I am a huge phoenix gold fan. I can almost buy anything with a "phoenix gold" logo on it. NOT ANYMORE - NOW A DAYS PHOENIX GOLD ARE MANUFACTURING JUNKS. (At least for me on my quality scale)
I am looking to purchase some phoenix gold amps & maybe speakers for my second car.

I had a chance to look closely at the new phoenix gold series. Listen too some - even opened up a few to look at the worksmanship. The Titanium Series, Octane Series, Xenon Series. I just ruled out the Tantrum since it would be too low of a grade for me. I only prefer FlagShip Design. (Didn't get to consider the Elite Series though - No one I know seem to have them - Not even the shop carry them for DEMOs).

These new series are manufacturer like your mainstream audio product - What happen to "phoenix gold quality." Looking at the build quality - look like PG went the "mass production" route instead of the original "quality built - just not another amp" route. Look like these are made in CHINA. (I am not sure which is the exact country but sure looks cheaply built)

I think I can live with the titanium series or elite series- if buy all new stuff - they seem to still carry some quality. The rest of the series. Definitely a PASS.

These guys use to make some very high quality stuff. Today they are part of the Best Buy / Circuit City car stereo chain.

They are decent for the average consumer. Definitely not for an audiophile person.

These newer phoenix gold series are "just another amp to flood the market", "just another speaker to flood the market".

2005 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 V8 Sport Edition

Sony CDX-C90 (Head Unit w/ Digital Out)

Sonic Impact Optical Glass TosLink

Sony XDP-4000x (Sound Processor w/ Digital In & Analog Out)

PG Musical Reference RCA

PG TBAT2 (Analog to Digital)

PG XBC Balance Cable ThroughOut

PG ZPX2 (3 Way CrossOver)

PG ZPA 0.3 (High & Mids) - Eclipse 8061

PG ZPA 0.3 (Mid Bass) - Eclipse Aluminum 8"

PG ZBS4 (Split For Subs)

PG ZPA 0.5 (Sub 1) - Eclipse Titanium 12

PG ZPA 0.5 (Sub 2) - Eclipse Titanium 12

First off it appears to me that you havent even listened to any of the new equipment. You are just looking at the fact that they arent made in usa anymore, and you are provided with this false information that they dont use quality parts anymore. I will be the first to tell you that the new xenon series is superior to the titanium series, and most other pg produced amps. If you havent had the extensive testing to do so, then why make comments suggesting that pg has gone down hill. Ive played with the zpa's, ms, titaniums, xenons, ect, and they are no better quality than the xenons are, infact in most ways the xenons are superior. Pg has their stuff built overseas to reduce production costs, but in no way does this effect the same old quality that we have known to love. I will put my xenon 200.2 up to your zpa in a sound quality square off any day of the week. The older stuff sounds no better than the newer ones. Ive owned so much pg equipment, so I should be the one to know. ive owned titaniums, xenons, ms, ect, and I will stand by the fact that the quality, and buildmanship is still their, and will continue to be. I feel that you actually need to test out the new stuff, instead of just basing it off appearance.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

I just ruled out the Tantrum since it would be too low of a grade for me.

I realize you were talking out of your *** right about there.

Please leave, asshat.

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

what a way to be a dick!