PG RSD vs. ID10v.3

[innsanes 10+ year member]

yet another versus thread. Seeing alot of mix review of the pg rsd. Wondeirng which would sound better and louder in a sealed box. Looks like the id10 has 17mm xmax and the pg at 13 xmax. Its for my frineds first system setup and hes on a budget. I can get both at around the same price. some help would be great since i have no experience with any of them. thanks

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[innsanes 10+ year member]

bump, i did my research, still no answer

 

[Macklessdaddy 10+ year member]

yet another versus thread. Seeing alot of mix review of the pg rsd. Wondeirng which would sound better and louder in a sealed box. Looks like the id10 has 17mm xmax and the pg at 13 xmax. Its for my frineds first system setup and hes on a budget. I can get both at around the same price. some help would be great since i have no experience with any of them. thanks

i have the id sub in .75 sealed box and it is a fine sub for the price,very accurate and can get low(to me) for a 10

 

[jkulysses 10+ year member]

I haven't heard anything bad about the pg's yet. That's what i'm going to be runnin pretty soon.

 

[DeuceLee 10+ year member]

I haven't heard anything bad about the pg's yet. That's what i'm going to be runnin pretty soon.

for $85-$95 shipped, you can't go wrong with a rsd...sq is great, gets plenty loud, and it's very light for any weight concious people, i got mine in fiberglass boxes and they weight practically nothing...

 

[jkulysses 10+ year member]

How big is your box for each sub?

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

yet another versus thread. Seeing alot of mix review of the pg rsd. Wondeirng which would sound better and louder in a sealed box. Looks like the id10 has 17mm xmax and the pg at 13 xmax. Its for my frineds first system setup and hes on a budget. I can get both at around the same price. some help would be great since i have no experience with any of them. thanks

both should sound good, the id will get louder.

 

[Towncar 10+ year member]

Flip a coin.. Both have fantastic sq..

 

[DeuceLee 10+ year member]

both should sound good, the id will get louder.

have you heard both?

i think since the rsd's can take 2x teh power, it might be louder...

i donno, i've never heard the id's....

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

have you heard both?
i think since the rsd's can take 2x teh power, it might be louder...

i donno, i've never heard the id's....

power handling is a moot point unless we are talking about an SPL setup. Look at it this way. A sub makes music in a sealed box by moving the cone. SPL is directly porportional to the distance the cone moves, which cone can move further? There are 2 types of limits thermal and mechanical, in a sealed setup,you'll run out of mechanical power handling long before thermal. You can dump as much power onto the coil as you'd like the rsd can only move 13mm one way. If we include nonlinear excursion it might go futher, but I don't know the limits of the suspension, regardless non-linear output isnt' exactly worth worrying about.

 

[innsanes 10+ year member]

power handling is a moot point unless we are talking about an SPL setup. Look at it this way. A sub makes music in a sealed box by moving the cone. SPL is directly porportional to the distance the cone moves, which cone can move further? There are 2 types of limits thermal and mechanical, in a sealed setup,you'll run out of mechanical power handling long before thermal. You can dump as much power onto the coil as you'd like the rsd can only move 13mm one way. If we include nonlinear excursion it might go futher, but I don't know the limits of the suspension, regardless non-linear output isnt' exactly worth worrying about.

The Fi Q has 27 mm of xmax and the Btl only has 16 mm of xmax, but the btl is an SPL beast. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[massiveaudiocw 10+ year member]

I have to say, after playing w/ a RSD10D today i was impressed for a 60 dollar driver. I had close to 750rms going to it for some time. Its a great sounding driver on low power. Performs awsome sealed or ported. I have to admit, i havnt been let down by any the RSD stuff yet, espeicaly for the price. Kinda intrested in picking them up for local sales.

Corey

 

[T3mpest 10+ year member]

The Fi Q has 27 mm of xmax and the Btl only has 16 mm of xmax, but the btl is an SPL beast. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Put them in a sealed enclosure and see which one gets louder, although I'd bet the btl has alot of non linear throw too, since it's purely an SPL driver. It can move further than 16mm, but it won't be linear, so for musical purposes I'd disregard it.

Anyway, here's why SPl subs dont' have huge excursion. In a ported box you let the port do most of the work. Near tuning a cones excursion is minimal. In this case, it's thermal power handling that will limit the woofer. The BTL handles alot more power, so in a case where excursion is low, the thermal power handling will determine overall SPL. No matter how much power you dump onto the woofer your unlikely to have it reach xmax, you get a small amount of excursion, with alot of sound at the tuning frequency of the box, since your causing the ports to react as well. A BTL might only move 9mm when you dump 15,000 watts onto it, but for a ported box near tuning that's alot of movement. A well designed ported box will cause alot of SPL from the ports reacting to the change in pressure that the 9mm of excursion is giving you. A fi q in the same box can't handle 15,000 watts, so it might only move 3mm, hence the sub won't move as much, which lowers output, not only because your sub moves less, but because the ports produce less noise as well.

What specs are important for overall SPl depends on how the driver is used. Tweeters need very very little excursion to get very loud.

In conclusion, and back on topic, for a subwoofer in a sealed enclosure, you have no ports. The drivers cone moving is all you have. Xmax and the surface area of the cone are all that play a role in clean output. Ported boxes near tuning control a cones movement, so in that case, high spl at a low frequency is again dictated by thermal limits. Also remember that each time you drop 1 octave, 1/2 a given frequency, you need 4x the amount of excursion to keep the same spl for a given driver. So a driver ability to play down to a given frequency at a set spl is determined by excursion.

ps. talk about a complex answer for a simple question. Here you were just wanted a quick forum boner vs thread.... haha, my bad..

 

[DeuceLee 10+ year member]

Put them in a sealed enclosure and see which one gets louder, although I'd bet the btl has alot of non linear throw too, since it's purely an SPL driver. It can move further than 16mm, but it won't be linear, so for musical purposes I'd disregard it.
Anyway, here's why SPl subs dont' have huge excursion. In a ported box you let the port do most of the work. Near tuning a cones excursion is minimal. In this case, it's thermal power handling that will limit the woofer. The BTL handles alot more power, so in a case where excursion is low, the thermal power handling will determine overall SPL. No matter how much power you dump onto the woofer your unlikely to have it reach xmax, you get a small amount of excursion, with alot of sound at the tuning frequency of the box, since your causing the ports to react as well. A BTL might only move 9mm when you dump 15,000 watts onto it, but for a ported box near tuning that's alot of movement. A well designed ported box will cause alot of SPL from the ports reacting to the change in pressure that the 9mm of excursion is giving you. A fi q in the same box can't handle 15,000 watts, so it might only move 3mm, hence the sub won't move as much, which lowers output, not only because your sub moves less, but because the ports produce less noise as well.

What specs are important for overall SPl depends on how the driver is used. Tweeters need very very little excursion to get very loud.

In conclusion, and back on topic, for a subwoofer in a sealed enclosure, you have no ports. The drivers cone moving is all you have. Xmax and the surface area of the cone are all that play a role in clean output. Ported boxes near tuning control a cones movement, so in that case, high spl at a low frequency is again dictated by thermal limits. Also remember that each time you drop 1 octave, 1/2 a given frequency, you need 4x the amount of excursion to keep the same spl for a given driver. So a driver ability to play down to a given frequency at a set spl is determined by excursion.

ps. talk about a complex answer for a simple question. Here you were just wanted a quick forum boner vs thread.... haha, my bad..

cool man...i guess i should try a different sub with higher xmax since my glass boxes are sealed then...those xenon's are failry cheap //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/veryhappy.gif.fec4fed33b4a1279cf10bdd45a039dae.gif 20mm xmax and are suppose to wang the lows...

 

[MTXman 10+ year member]

Doubt the ID would get louder.

My RSD12D's are taking 900 watts daily each, in a shared-chamber 1.8^3ft box.

They are loud and sound great.

For 80-100 bucks.. definitely be hard to beat.