Perks of work

[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

What do you mean nobody is an installer at a shop?

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Nice!

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Meant to add here. We're all "installers". Well...with the exception of the very few people.

 

[Zero_Ohms]

Meant to add here. We're all "installers". Well...with the exception of the very few people.

When I say installer I mean doing it professionally as a job.

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[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

Ok and....? So was I. people can score things here and there, absolute unheard of steal deals, stumbled upon somethings, you name it. Sometimes people just plain get lucky with something.

Speaking of "professionally job", can you tell me if this was professionally done by an installer or me?

 

[ilikeradios 10+ year member]

Ok and....? So was I. people can score things here and there, absolute unheard of steal deals, stumbled upon somethings, you name it. Sometimes people just plain get lucky with something.
Speaking of "professionally job", can you tell me if this was professionally done by an installer or me?

needs more "Custom purple RCA's"

 

[silvercookie 5,000+ posts]

I got 2 Massive Audio DMX 15's in a dual ported prefab box for $80 a few years ago.

 

[ChaseinBass]

Ok and....? So was I. people can score things here and there, absolute unheard of steal deals, stumbled upon somethings, you name it. Sometimes people just plain get lucky with something.
Speaking of "professionally job", can you tell me if this was professionally done by an installer or me?

Looks like "Your Installer Guy From Craigslist" did it! LOL Jk Jk JK (Just kidding and not John Kooter)

 

[Zero_Ohms]

Ok and....? So was I. people can score things here and there, absolute unheard of steal deals, stumbled upon somethings, you name it. Sometimes people just plain get lucky with something.
Speaking of "professionally job", can you tell me if this was professionally done by an installer or me?

Nope absolutely can't by a picture like that. Being a professional installer involves way more than making wires look pretty. I can be nit picky tho and ask the reason for the MDF box and the two 1/0 AWG wires going into the distribution box but only one 4 AWG wire coming out. Also your ground wire on the big amp isn't fully inserted into the terminal so you have the potential there for a short circuit.

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[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

Psh...pretty wires. But overall clean install. I see an MDF amp rack....where's the MDF box? MDF because it was scrap leftover....because it's easier to sand flat and costs less than birch. The amp rack was free to build w/o buying any more MDF. My ground is def in there....I think I may have cut too much of the insulation off.

Again, you fail to see it doesn't take a professional/certified or even have an MECP (I would think you know what that is) to have an overall clean install. Many people on here have done their own installs....a few whom are in middle of builds. It's mine and proud of the work I did. Takes time to do a good job, cleanwise. Sorry it isn't up to your standards, guessing fiberglass work which I have no exp. with, but I've had plenty of compliments. Loud, clear, and simple. Just the way I like it. Others take it to a whole new level.

 

[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

Few more pics for ya to drool over that I "professionally" installed...

s10 ext cab p/u HU



4 10's sub enclosure, made from MDF. Double baffle. Screw holes bondo'd and sanded flush, rounded corners.



Alpine 9835...

 

[Zero_Ohms]

Psh...pretty wires. But overall clean install. I see an MDF amp rack....where's the MDF box? MDF because it was scrap leftover....because it's easier to sand flat and costs less than birch. The amp rack was free to build w/o buying any more MDF. My ground is def in there....I think I may have cut too much of the insulation off.
Again, you fail to see it doesn't take a professional/certified or even have an MECP (I would think you know what that is) to have an overall clean install. Many people on here have done their own installs....a few whom are in middle of builds. It's mine and proud of the work I did. Takes time to do a good job, cleanwise. Sorry it isn't up to your standards, guessing fiberglass work which I have no exp. with, but I've had plenty of compliments. Loud, clear, and simple. Just the way I like it. Others take it to a whole new level.

I'm glad you like it. Im well aware of MECP as I'm certified as a requirement for my job. I'm saying that a professional installer has to have a lot more knowledge than just how to make wires look clean or properly tune an amp. Sure that's part of it but a very small part. You have to understand how the automotive electrical system works. You have to be able to trouble shoot problems quickly and know the right solution for the problem. Understanding of diodes, relays, transistors, inductors, capacitors, potentiometers, semiconductors, resistors (how they work, why they do what they do, and when the proper time to use them is) understanding ohms law, the components of a sound wave, phase and polarity, resonance, octaves and harmonics, properly reading wiring diagrams. Not to mention all the remote start and security stuff and much more. (Keep in mind this is all stuff you need to know for just the basic certification) Im glad you are happy with your install and how it came out. But don't try to tell me that any person who does this for a hobby has the same level of knowledge as someone who is certified and does the work professionally. This isn't a job that some guy of the street could just jump in and do because they have been installing stuff in their own car for years.

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[staan]

This isn't a job that some guy of the street could just jump in and do because they have been installing stuff in their own car for years.

but it is, that's how it was done before there was an mecp certification and is still done by a majority of shops, experience is preferred.

 

[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

I'm glad you like it. Im well aware of MECP as I'm certified as a requirement for my job. I'm saying that a professional installer has to have a lot more knowledge than just how to make wires look clean or properly tune an amp. Sure that's part of it but a very small part. You have to understand how the automotive electrical system works. You have to be able to trouble shoot problems quickly and know the right solution for the problem. Understanding of diodes, relays, transistors, inductors, capacitors, potentiometers, semiconductors, resistors (how they work, why they do what they do, and when the proper time to use them is) understanding ohms law, the components of a sound wave, phase and polarity, resonance, octaves and harmonics, properly reading wiring diagrams. Not to mention all the remote start and security stuff and much more. (Keep in mind this is all stuff you need to know for just the basic certification) Im glad you are happy with your install and how it came out. But don't try to tell me that any person who does this for a hobby has the same level of knowledge as someone who is certified and does the work professionally. This isn't a job that some guy of the street could just jump in and do because they have been installing stuff in their own car for years.

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See, that's where your wrong. There's a lot of brick and mortar shops that hire dumbfounded installers that barely know how to install a few things. Knowing half the aformentioned above electronics isn't necessary. The place counts on installs, and the quicker, the better. They depend upon those for more profit. It is ideal to know those things yes. Necessary? No. As long as the person knows how to troubleshoot, use a simple DMM, has done installs on numerous vehicle types, prove his own work, etc. I see no reason to hire the guy.

Lets see some of the work you have done since your so high and mighty about this whole thing.

 

[Zero_Ohms]

There may be places that hire people like that. I wouldn't consider them professional installers. Still would have more experience than someone who does it as a hobby tho simply because of the ability to work on multiple cars every day installing many different kinds of electronics. The more you do something the better you get at it. As I said before install photos don't prove someone's knowledge. It more or less proves they can take their time and be patient to make something look nice. And also like I said before that may be important but it's far from the whole picture.

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[Boomin_tahoe 5,000+ posts]

There may be places that hire people like that. I wouldn't consider them professional installers. Still would have more experience than someone who does it as a hobby tho simply because of the ability to work on multiple cars every day installing many different kinds of electronics. The more you do something the better you get at it. As I said before install photos don't prove someone's knowledge. It more or less proves they can take their time and be patient to make something look nice. And also like I said before that may be important but it's far from the whole picture.

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Lemme get this straight. So if someone posted a build log on here providing pics of work progress, skills, wiring and such, you still don't think they know anything???

 

[Zero_Ohms]

Lemme get this straight. So if someone posted a build log on here providing pics of work progress, skills, wiring and such, you still don't think they know anything???

Completely different from what you said before. Pics of completed installs are different. Doesn't show you the whole picture. If someone takes pictures of every step of the install with a description of what they did that tells you a little more about what they know because you see everything. But you still don't know the extent of their knowledge. What I've been saying from the beginning of this that you still fail to grasp because you keep changing the subject is if someone is a professional installer they have to know a lot more than someone who just does this as a hobby. A person who does this as a hobby has to know how to work on their car not just any random car that shows up at any time. Professional installers have to know how to install everything not just things they would install for their personal use. They have to know how to make those things work in every car and what's required for that car. If a problem comes up they need to be able to come up with a solution as quickly as effectively as possible because that car is there for a limited time and that install is guaranteed for the life of the vehicle. If a new product comes out you have to learn quickly the proper way to install and set up that unit. I don't think you realize the extent of the work that has to go into some cars even for something as simple as a stereo install. Correct me if I'm wrong but your trying to say that anyone who has done car audio in their spare time could become an installer and be able to do it without any problems. I will tell you this from much experience that this is simply not true. I've been doing this for 8 years professionally without any cars coming back with issues related to the install. I can also guarantee I still haven't seen every problem. If someone was applying for a job as an installer and they showed you pictures of installs they did would you be like oh ok your hired? It doesn't work like that.

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