PC vs. Mac

[theCybe 5,000+ posts]

You can plug in a two button mouse if you want one. And there's the mighty-mouse, which is five buttons, and touch sensitive.

anyway;

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=BBE161EE&nclm=iMac

"No frills":

20-inch widescreen LCD with 1680x1050 resolution

2.0GHz Intel Core Duo with 2MB shared L2 cache

512MB (single SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM

250GB Serial ATA hard drive

Slot-load 8x double-layer SuperDrive

ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory

Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0

• Apple Remote
  
• Apple Keyboard
  
• Mighty Mouse
  
• Front Row
  
• Apple Remote
  
• Built in Camera
  
• SuperDrive for burning CD and DVDs
  
• Safari 2
  
• Mail 2
  
• Address Book 4
  
• iChat AV 3
  
• iCal 2
  
• Font Book 2
  
• DVD Player 4.5
  
• Preview 3
  
• Xcode 2
  
• iLife ’06
  
• iWork ’06 30-day trial
  
• Front Row
  
• Photo Booth
  
• Big Bang Board Games
  
• Comic Life
  
• OmniOutliner
  
• Quicken 2006 for Mac
  
• Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive

Not to mention a slew of utilities, network managers, wireless net detectors, text and graphic manipulators,

Oh yeah. And a warranty.

If a 128mb Radeon doesn't play your games, then play them on a machine that can't send email. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

BTW, this is the middle-of-the-road consumer model. There's always the PowerMac G5.

Two dual-core 2.5GHz PowerPC G5 processors

1.25GHz frontside bus per processor

1MB L2 cache per core (ahem)

512MB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-4200)

250GB Serial ATA hard drive

16x SuperDrive (double-layer)

Three open PCI-Express expansion slots

NVIDIA GeForce 6600 with 256MB GDDR SDRAM

Watercooled if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Black_Jesus 10+ year member]

mac can kiss my ***

i am a PC user

that is all

 

[theCybe 5,000+ posts]

So can WindowsUpdate. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Black_Jesus 10+ year member]

i dont update anymore. since they started doing the genuine windows stuff. i know hwo to get around it but **** it. im more than secure enough for 99% of the hackers out there.

my next step is slackware linux

 

[req 5,000+ posts]

soo let me get this straight. cybeman - you are aruging that your macs have software and options that the PC does not come standard with. but the tittyloaf man is arguing that they cost twice as much as the same level of computing power, with virtually infinite uprgadeability and compatability.

now ive been building PC's for nigh on 8 years. i have been playing multiplayer PC games since DOOM lanparties, and duke3d over my 15k modem.

i am also a graphic designer. i have been working with photoshop since version 5.1. i worked as a graphic designer for a printing press [http://www.canterburypress.com] for a little over a year when i quit for several reasons.

in that job, we used both PC and MAC. we had power G5's and qual pentium 4's. and i must say, that both the PC and the MAC were of equal speed, but for me, the mac was annoying to use.

the chooser under the top left menu thing is just obnoxious. i really really hate holding down that option button for all the commands instead of right click, because you know right click is NOT native for the mac and since its a work computer, i cant be adding things. the display is nice, sure, but my computer that i built for 1\2 the price has just as nice of a display.

the applications run at the same speed (mind you i had photoshop CS with indesign, photoshop, and illustrator running constantly working on files with 300dpi resolutions that are 10"x30" - roughly 30mb per file, with several open. and my PC ran better under these strenious conditions, not to mention i had a MP3 CD in the cdrom and i had windows media player loaded with a few hundred songs that were constantly playing.

no, i will stick with the PC, i will let the expensive and non conformative mac pass itself by.

for video editing, photoediting, and all media editing, my super compatable personal computer, with far more possibilites of upgrades, far more compatibility, far more personalization, far more gaming, just as much media editing power, price per performance standpoints, and everything else im sure im missing out on, my PC can do anything your little MAC can do, if not better.

when the next wave of MAC's come out to shelves, and your powerG5 is out of date, and you virtually have to toss it in the trash because you can upgrade it, ill giggle and buy a new motherboard, ram and processor. and built a new one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

oh yea, my PC is watercooled too //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

so feel free to ask me any questions regarding a PC. because i know for a fact that a PC can be JUST AS SAFE AS A MAC - because my computer NEVER EVAAR crashes. and i have no malware or viruii. you need to be a little more savvy with a PC because theres a higher precentage of users and a higher precentage of malicious users - so that comes with the territory.

please feel free to try and criquiqe my personal expierence. and i will intelligently reply to you.

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

You can plug in a two button mouse if you want one. And there's the mighty-mouse, which is five buttons, and touch sensitive.
anyway;

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=BBE161EE&nclm=iMac

"No frills":

20-inch widescreen LCD with 1680x1050 resolution

2.0GHz Intel Core Duo with 2MB shared L2 cache

512MB (single SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM

250GB Serial ATA hard drive

Slot-load 8x double-layer SuperDrive

ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory

Built-in AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth 2.0

• Apple Remote
  
• Apple Keyboard
  
• Mighty Mouse
  
• Front Row
  
• Apple Remote
  
• Built in Camera
  
• SuperDrive for burning CD and DVDs
  
• Safari 2
  
• Mail 2
  
• Address Book 4
  
• iChat AV 3
  
• iCal 2
  
• Font Book 2
  
• DVD Player 4.5
  
• Preview 3
  
• Xcode 2
  
• iLife ’06
  
• iWork ’06 30-day trial
  
• Front Row
  
• Photo Booth
  
• Big Bang Board Games
  
• Comic Life
  
• OmniOutliner
  
• Quicken 2006 for Mac
  
• Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive

Not to mention a slew of utilities, network managers, wireless net detectors, text and graphic manipulators,

Oh yeah. And a warranty.

If a 128mb Radeon doesn't play your games, then play them on a machine that can't send email. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

BTW, this is the middle-of-the-road consumer model. There's always the PowerMac G5.

Two dual-core 2.5GHz PowerPC G5 processors

1.25GHz frontside bus per processor

1MB L2 cache per core (ahem)

512MB of 533MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-4200)

250GB Serial ATA hard drive

16x SuperDrive (double-layer)

Three open PCI-Express expansion slots

NVIDIA GeForce 6600 with 256MB GDDR SDRAM

Watercooled if I'm not mistaken.

The card isn't the problem, the problem is that:

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NO GAME DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO PORT GAMES TO A PLATFORM USED BY A TINY MINORITY OF THE COMPUTING POPULACE WHO TYPICALLY AREN'T INTERESTED IN GAMING.

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Okay, so thats the specs of a middle of the road system, probably priced around 2 grand or so I'd imagine? Nothing spectacular about it, up-to-date hardware with a bunch of bundled apps, and a warranty, which is standard for virtually every PC manufacturer. I don't see the point in posting it here?

And that PowerMac is nice. I'm sure it screams. But the point remains that it probably costs over five thousand dollars and the compatibility issues for doing anything other than graphic design and video editing and standard any-pc-can-do it productivity make it useless for many many things that most users would want the flexibility to do with a machine that cost them as much as a car.

A PC on HALF that budget or less would be nearly if not as fast, and able to do MORE with the power. And hey, why not throw watercooling into the mix for 200 bucks if that's what makes you feel special. I did.

PS- I like your sig, it reminds me of tantrums.

 

[theCybe 5,000+ posts]

To the above post, if caps are necessary - you haven't done your homework, sir; What's afoot with Macintosh now is Intel processors, which will execute [drumroll] UNIVERSAL BINARIES. So now software developers need only develop one set of code, thereby eliminating the cost of developing for multiple platforms.

Regarding the right click nativity;

The mighty mouse is now standard with new macs and right-clickable; I agree, holding option to click is dumb.

And to calm everybody down (christ people) the PC platform is great too; I also used to build them, there /is/ a greater aftermarket, there /are/ more choices, they /are/ easier to upgrade, software /is/ easier to pirate, and it's great fun to buy a new case for the ****ed thing, stick neon lights in there, and cut a big hole in it and paint it with whatever.

But I've never met a PC that didn't crash.

Even the ones I built and stripped every useless Service out of.

I've underclocked PCs and STILL had them crash.

And yes, a hundred-and-four Microsoft Sony Xplods might get you 154.5 on the TL, but you can do the same with a single Apple RE MT. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

The PowerMac is $1999, the iMac is $1199. Make your own life choices, but be not ignorant to the alternatives.

I'm using a PC now, on an MS Exchange server, and it's getting the job done. But I wouldn't hesitate to set it on fire if it would net me a Mac Mini.

PC Pros;

Upgradable!

Customizable!

Cheap!

Apple Pros;

Intuitive!

Modern!

Productive!

[shrug]

A PC on HALF that budget or less would be nearly if not as fast, and able to do MORE with the power.

Show me a PC with four processors on independant gigahert busses with firewires, wireless, bluetooth, dvd burners, the whole shebang for that price.

And I'll show you a Mac for that price that will run Windows too.

Oops - I already did.

 

[Eldorado 5,000+ posts]

req= mac hater

he is stuck in his ways

Be easy on the boy the cybe

I like the fact that my mac doesnt sound like my vacuum cleaner PC

 

[elementxero 10+ year member]

hahahaha

Alright I will stop posting here but I find it hilarious that the last four things said about Macs by the people arguing for them were so completely and wholly unimportant, irrelevant, and vague:

Intuitive!

Modern!

Productive!

doesnt sound like my vacuum cleaner PC

 

[slick316 10+ year member]

I bought my Powerbook last January, best laptop purchase I have made. Its a great everyday laptop. Its G4 processor was a little outdated, but still gets the job done. I can't think of the last time I had an issue with this thing. The included software is really nice, iLife is a great app. I love the scrolling trackpad (put two fingers on the track pad to horizontal/vertical scroll on a webpage), the ambient light sensor (automatically dims/brightens the display depending on lighting conditions), and fiber optic lit keyboard (its actually handle when the lighting is low or off). I went ahead and ordered a new 17" MacBook Pro however, I like the specs and the fact I can run Windows on it (Kind of nice to have two computers in one).

I would agree that last year, a PC compared to an Apple with a G4 processor, the Apple would seem expensive (the G4 was a little dated), but now, with the Intel Core Solo/Duo's, the price is not that far off from a similarly priced Dell. Look at Sony's laptop choice's, some are even more expensive then the Apple's, who's overpriced? Can't just say "Dell is so much cheaper" thats just one company. The new Intel iMac's are a great value for the money, $1300 MSRP for the 17" model, all in one package, if I needed a home computer, I'd get it.

However, I can't knock on PC's. I have NEVER had a virus on any of my Windows based PC's, EVER. Sure virus's and spyware/malware exist, but so do anti virus's and firewalls, a little maintanence on the users part and your computer should run 100% all the time. I love being able pick out all of the individual components for my PC, right down to the case. Knowing what I put in there, I know what I can upgrade if ever needed. Software selection is not an issue either, a good plus.

I run a Media Center PC that I put together with parts from Newegg (best place to buy computer parts in my opinion). Its been running since November. I keep it on all the time, maybe reboot it 2-4 times a month after I do a defrag or something. It has NEVER messed up on me. I use it to record my favorite TV shows that I can't watch since I'm at work (like 24 today), never have I gone home after work to find that my show did NOT record, its always recorded. One of the best PC's I have ever built.

In short, both are good, I like Apple portable's myself, but desktop/Media PC's have to go to PC/Windows side.

 

[Eldorado 5,000+ posts]

I wasnt arguing anything req

I just stated that i liked that it was quiet, is there something wrong with it being quiet !?!?

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

Wow, I'm gonna resurrect an oldie here. Just wanted to throw in my .02 on a thread that I bet no one cares about anymore. I ran PC's since God created them. My first was an IBM PC JR. Now, that probably dated me, but whatever. I've built PC's, bought PC's, thrown PC's out the window, and went back for more. This past January was the last straw. My homebuilt PC was churning along, sounding like a Harrier jet like it always does (lot's of fans!!) and all of a sudden, nothing! Thing just shut down. I turned it back on, and all it did was restart, over and over. My brother looked at it, he's a computer programmer/tech support guy, and he said the HD was dead. Oh, well. I bought a new one, installed it, turned it on, and........NOTHING! So he looked at it. The beep code led us to bad RAM. Again, no big deal, went to CC, bought a 512 stick, and plugged it in. Turned it on, and......NOTHING!! Back to my brother. Bad motherboard. WTF I thought. Now I looked at him and asked him what I should do. I know motherboards are cheap, but come on, what's next?? Video card, Combo Drive?? Now remember, PCs are what make my brother his money, and he said, without hesitation, Mac. So I did it.

I bought myself a 20" iMac G5 2.1 and this thing is awesome! Then my wife came home from Iraq, and her Dell laptop took a dump, so we have a Macbook that she absolutely loves. We sold every PC in the house. Her Dell laptop, Gateway desktop, and yes, I put a new motherboard in my PC and sold that one too. The Mac platform is just too **** easy to use. We bought an airport, plugged it in, and boom, wireless internet. No setup required.

As for the whole Macs are expensive line. Wrong again. Actually if you take a Macbook Pro, and go through Dell and try to build one with the same features, the Dell winds up being more. And it doesn't come with iLife, which, unlike all the garbage Dell puts on their computers, is actually a useful and, dare I say, fun application suite to use.

Then we go on to customer service. Apple wins hands down. Remember, I sold a Dell and a Gateway, but before I did, I called both service departments trying to get them running again. With the PC companies, I waited on hold for an average of 1.5 hours. Ok, I figured, if you're the biggest PC manufacturers around, call volume may be pretty high considering the number of retards they let use a computer. Then I get someone from a different **** continent who speaks barely understandable English. That pisses me off to no end. Then, in the case of the Dell idiot, what he had me do to the computer actually screwed it up more! Some tech support. Wound up fixing both by wiping the hard drives, which is what I was trying to avoid. I had a small issue with the wife's Macbook while trying to transfer all of her iTunes and pictures off her Dell via the ethernet cable. Called Applecare, got a real honest to God American in 5 minutes! And wouldn't you know it, my problem was fixed no more than 10 minutes after he picked up the phone. And most of that time was spent BSing because he was from the East Coast and noticed I was in NC. So, hands down, Apple wins in customer service.

In closing, I'll be surprised if anyone reads this because I'm just a dumb noobx, but IMHO, Apple's Mac platform is a vastly superior system in terms of reliability, ease of use, design, and the all important Customer Service. PCs do have an edge in gaming, and you can upgrade the crap out of them, but then again, if you want maximum upgradeability, try a Power Mac or the new Mac Pro. How many PCs out there can hold 16 gigs of RAM with quad core processing?? Not too many. And honestly, I like my iMac with it's measly 2.5 gigs of RAM and "slow" Power PC G5 processor at 2.1 GHz. If for no other reason than the fact that it's a Mac, and "It Just Works!" Think Different!!

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

Honestly you sound like you know absolutely NOTHING about computers. I started working on computers for money when I was 14 and now at 18 I own the company that I started working at. You went about fixing that PC in the completely wrong order. If a computer shuts off, the FIRST thing you look at is the PSU, not the ram, not the mobo, not the cpu, not the gpu, not the audio card, PSU FIRST ALWAYS.
The only reason I even bothered posting this was because you claimed to be experienced in PCs but you contacted a Manufacturer for help with a computer. That just SCREAMS noob. If you are experienced as you say you are, you would know to build your own computer rather than buying some POS manufactured garbage.

You do realize that Mac Pro is a SERVER right? A server run by Intel processors none the less lol. Most PC servers can now house well over 16gb Ram and easily run Quad Processors, considering the fact that companies have been building Dual Chip PC mobos for YEARS.

First of all kid, the PCs that I contacted the manufacturer on were bought by my wife, prior to me even meeting her, so screw you on that point. Second, since we had the free customer support, why not use it. Third, the PSU was NOT the problem. The Mboard was fried, the RAM took a dump, and the HD crapped too. Oh, and all that was on the PC that I BUILT. If you must know, it had a Soyo MBoard, a P4 2.4 Processor, 1 gig PC 2700 DDR RAM, Sound Blaster Audigy Card, NVidia 256 mb Video card, TDK CD-RW, and a Pioneer DVD-RW. All that was salvageable was the optical drives, sound and video, and the processor. And also, the Mac Pro is a desktop. It is the replacement for the Power Mac. It's not my fault Apple makes their top of the line desktop as powerful as a server. So, go back to your PC business, as I know the reason people like you fear the Mac. If everyone ran Macs, you wouldn't have a job. It's been statistically proven time and time again that you need fewer IT professionals to maintain a Mac based system than that of PCs.

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

Oh, and FYI, Apple's server is the XServe.

 

[jjski78 10+ year member]

How long your computer last depends all on the quality of the parts, surely YOU would know that. Soyo Mobo? Come on, seriously man. That computer was what 3-4 years old? I don't think you understand yet, the Mac Pro IS a SERVER. It has Dual Xeon processors, and if you weren't completely clueless that would let you know exactly what it's purpose is.


Um, wouldn't it be 1 skilled person for each? Math ftw? I think so.

Umm, no. the Mac Pro, is a desktop. Sure, it has the Zeon processors, but it is a desktop. Again, sorry the PC world can't understand a desktop with the power of a server. The Xserve is a server. It is marketed as such, as the Mac Pro is labeled a desktop.

And no, when you have an IT group overseeing a network of PC, and another overseeing a network of Macs, there are far less man hours needed to maintain said Mac network. Less man hours=less personnel needed.