Pacers/Pistons game

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Your never going to give it up eh?

People keep pointing out things that everyone in this thread agree's on except you and joshpoints.

Lets see.... im pretty sure majority would rule that your an idiot and yours are 100% bias, and have no point.

Again for the last time, if Wallace went to the free throw line it would have never started. PLEASE PLEASE Tell me I am wrong there? PLEASE!

lol, you start it up again. so you are telling me that the fan who through the cup is the responsibilty of ben wallace? ben wallace is responsible for every single fan now? artest ran wildly into the stands and he didn't even know for sure who threw the cup. he wildly punches fans who he thinks through the cup. maybe if ron artest sits his *** on the bench instead of sprawling out on the scorers table he probably wouldn't have been hit. again we have another mature member who's only way to get his point across is to use eighth grade antics and name calling. the pacers are up 15 with less then a minute left so why doesn't artest just let wallace get the layup? why did he have to foul wallace in the first place? even if he doesn't foul wallace how do you know a fan wouldn't throw anything at artest?

 

[vosschs 5,000+ posts]

did they ever find out what kind of beer was thrown on him, i think its a shame no one should waste beer, beer is for drinking not throwing, he should have threw his shoe or something

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

here is how I see it, someone throws something at me they have the intention of hurting me, if security don't step in I do, yes he was out of control but so be it, Off of the court if some physicaly harms you u have the right to defend your self, now if the fan would have just tuanted then Artes would have been far out of line.

If artest would have stayed out of the crowd the security would have been able to detain the fan, instead artest decides to go after a fan and cause caos. Artest is lucky that him and his team mates came out of it okay. Again the best way to defend himself would have been to run off the floor. It's that simple. Now in no way have I been saying what the fans did was right and okay. But the players handle it in a horrible way and in my opinion sunk below the already low level of character that the fan that threw the liquid had.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

did they ever find out what kind of beer was thrown on him, i think its a shame no one should waste beer, beer is for drinking not throwing, he should have threw his shoe or something

from what i've heard is that the people in those seats get wine or some shit like that. it also could've been people who moved down from the cheap seats. not sure what kind of beer they serve at the palace

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

If artest would have stayed out of the crowd the security would have been able to detain the fan, instead artest decides to go after a fan and cause caos. Artest is lucky that him and his team mates came out of it okay. Again the best way to defend himself would have been to run off the floor. It's that simple. Now in no way have I been saying what the fans did was right and okay. But the players handle it in a horrible way and in my opinion sunk below the already low level of character that the fan that threw the liquid had.

exactly. 2 wrongs don't make a right. i know artest was pissed and probably most of us would've done the same thing, but he is a professional athelete and he didn't even know exactly who threw the cup.

 

[Qckrun 10+ year member]

lol, you start it up again. so you are telling me that the fan who through the cup is the responsibilty of ben wallace? ben wallace is responsible for every single fan now? artest ran wildly into the stands and he didn't even know for sure who threw the cup. he wildly punches fans who he thinks through the cup. maybe if ron artest sits his *** on the bench instead of sprawling out on the scorers table he probably wouldn't have been hit. again we have another mature member who's only way to get his point across is to use eighth grade antics and name calling. the pacers are up 15 with less then a minute left so why doesn't artest just let wallace get the layup? why did he have to foul wallace in the first place? even if he doesn't foul wallace how do you know a fan wouldn't throw anything at artest?

Is there a reason why your AVOIDING MY QUESTION???

Answer this:::

If Wallace goes to the free throw line will a fight break out????

ANSWER IT DONT AVOID IT

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Is there a reason why your AVOIDING MY QUESTION???

Answer this:::

If Wallace goes to the free throw line will a fight break out????

ANSWER IT DONT AVOID IT

maybe/ maybe not. how do you know that fan threw that cup because of what ben wallace did? maybe the fan was pissed because the pistons lost the game, or because indiana/detroit is a heated rivilary, or because artest gave detroit fans the finger last year in the playoffs, or because he elbowed hamilton in the face knowing he had broken his nose twice, or because he was just plain drunk and being an *******. who is too say that if artest wouldn't have fouled ben wallace at all that artest would've still gotten hit. ben wallace has no control over anybody's actions but his own. now answer this, if artest would've just kept his cool and told security about this fan, have him removed from the game and press assault charges on the fan, artest wouldn't be suspended for the year, jackson 30 games, and o'neal 25 games.

 

[Qckrun 10+ year member]

maybe/ maybe not. how do you know that fan threw that cup because of what ben wallace did? maybe the fan was pissed because the pistons lost the game, or because indiana/detroit is a heated rivilary, or because artest gave detroit fans the finger last year in the playoffs, or because he elbowed hamilton in the face knowing he had broken his nose twice, or because he was just plain drunk and being an *******. who is too say that if artest wouldn't have fouled ben wallace at all that artest would've still gotten hit. ben wallace has no control over anybody's actions but his own. now answer this, if artest would've just kept his cool and told security about this fan, have him removed from the game and press assault charges on the fan, artest wouldn't be suspended for the year, jackson 30 games, and o'neal 25 games.

Your missing the whole point here man. If Wallace goes to the free throw line Artest wouldnt be laying on the scorers table. Thus the fan wouldnt throw the beer.

IF u step out of your ghetto pistons loving body for a minute and look at the big picture u would realize that if Wallace went to the free throw line we wouldnt be discussing this. End of story good night!

 

[Phatillusion 5,000+ posts]

all I am going to say is that it was very disgusting, and those players who hit the fans should be removed from the NBA, they acted like wild animals and should have shown some self control, for the money they are getting and for how little they have worked for in their lives to act like this deserves removal from the NBA plain and simple, they have no respect for the game or their teams

I know this was several pages back, but I feel I have to comment on it. First of all, it shouldn't have gotten out of hand, but it did. There wasn't one single person at fault, there were many. People hold these athletes to a higher standard because to most people they are heroes or whatever. They are no different than you and I, other than the fact that they make more money. Most of them were raised in a neighborhood similiar to everyone here, some of them didn't even have that. So with that being said, if someone threw a beer on you, would you let that slide? I for one wouldn't. A person can only take so much, he managed to hold himself back and stay cool when shit went down with Wallace, but the beer hitting him was the breaking point. He is human, and he reacted on instinct. Just because he makes 6 million dollars or so doesn't make him any different than you or I.

 

[Phatillusion 5,000+ posts]

If artest would have stayed out of the crowd the security would have been able to detain the fan, instead artest decides to go after a fan and cause caos. Artest is lucky that him and his team mates came out of it okay. Again the best way to defend himself would have been to run off the floor. It's that simple. Now in no way have I been saying what the fans did was right and okay. But the players handle it in a horrible way and in my opinion sunk below the already low level of character that the fan that threw the liquid had.

Your forgetting where most of these players come from. They weren't raised on another planet. Most of them grew up playing streetball, and playing streetball, you handle your own business. That's just the way it is. Wallace handled his business when he thought Artest got in a cheap shot, and Artest handled his business when the fans got in theirs.

 

[LivinLoud 10+ year member]

maybe/ maybe not. how do you know that fan threw that cup because of what ben wallace did? maybe the fan was pissed because the pistons lost the game, or because indiana/detroit is a heated rivilary, or because artest gave detroit fans the finger last year in the playoffs, or because he elbowed hamilton in the face knowing he had broken his nose twice, or because he was just plain drunk and being an *******. who is too say that if artest wouldn't have fouled ben wallace at all that artest would've still gotten hit. ben wallace has no control over anybody's actions but his own. now answer this, if artest would've just kept his cool and told security about this fan, have him removed from the game and press assault charges on the fan, artest wouldn't be suspended for the year, jackson 30 games, and o'neal 25 games.

I was going to be done with this, but hopefully you will give up on it.

I've posted topics on here where almost everybody disagreed with me, but I just gave up on it. Why can't you do the same?

So say you are on your high school basketball team and your playing in a game against people you have already had beef with and one of their fans throws a pop on you, your not going to stick his @ss? Your gonna go tell one of the security gaurds? Especially after one of their players are starting sh-t with you?

I sure hope not.

Doesn't matter if its professional or high school. We are all human. NBA players are no different than me and you except they are good at basketball and usually have plenty of money.

 

[iceteebone 5,000+ posts]

Your missing the whole point here man. If Wallace goes to the free throw line Artest wouldnt be laying on the scorers table. Thus the fan wouldnt throw the beer.
IF u step out of your ghetto pistons loving body for a minute and look at the big picture u would realize that if Wallace went to the free throw line we wouldnt be discussing this. End of story good night!

how do you know that? do you know the fans intentions? what if someone threw it when the pacers were leaving? what if artest would have just went to the bench and sat down instead of sprawling out on the scorers table inviting someone to throw shit at him. as for livinloud why do you keep on replying? if you would stop then i would have nothing to reply to right? i love the game of basketball and i have the maturity to think before i act. i know that if i run up into the stands i will be suspended and never play basketball again. ron artest is not the first person to get hit with something. it's happened many timnes before. larry bird was just on espn saying he was hit before with cups and drinks poored on him. as for qckrun, if we go by your way of thinking, what if ron artest had not fouled ben wallace at all? if i go and shoot somebody it will be your fault now.

 

[smokeoff 10+ year member]

If artest would have stayed out of the crowd the security would have been able to detain the fan, instead artest decides to go after a fan and cause caos. Artest is lucky that him and his team mates came out of it okay. Again the best way to defend himself would have been to run off the floor. It's that simple. Now in no way have I been saying what the fans did was right and okay. But the players handle it in a horrible way and in my opinion sunk below the already low level of character that the fan that threw the liquid had.

yeah, he could have waited a little longer but even afet he went into the stands, which you think would be an inseant get security over here call it took them forever to do anything.

On another note, If stern wants to be that strict on the players I would have like to seen the Pistons next 2 home games be fan-less. I tell u what, he did that the next fan in Detroit to through something would be mobbed by the fans before a player even think of reacting.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

yeah, he could have waited a little longer but even afet he went into the stands, which you think would be an inseant get security over here call it took them forever to do anything.
On another note, If stern wants to be that strict on the players I would have like to seen the Pistons next 2 home games be fan-less. I tell u what, he did that the next fan in Detroit to through something would be mobbed by the fans before a player even think of reacting.

But that's a lot of lost money for the NBA so that won't happen.

 

[Gauntlet 5,000+ posts]

Report: Fan In White Hat Has Criminal History

Man Accused Of Throwing First Cup Speaks To Police

POSTED: 7:50 am EST November 22, 2004

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Police continue to identify all of the fans involved in Friday night's brawl at The Palace of Auburn Hills, while the man accused of throwing the cup that sparked the incident speaks to Local 4.

Police have identified this fan -- believed to have thrown the first beer at the Indiana Pacers' Ron Artest -- as John Green, of West Bloomfield.

John Green, of West Bloomfield, was caught on tape throwing his cup of beer onto Indiana Pacers player Ron Artest, Local 4 reported. The act sent Artest into a rage in the stands, where players and fans then fought during the game between the Pistons and the Pacers.

Local 4 learned that Green has a criminal history, which includes the following offenses:

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2003 -- Operating under the influence of liquor/operating while visibly impaired (second offense)

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1989 -- Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder

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1989 -- Escape from prison

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1986 -- Carrying concealed weapons

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1986 -- Uttering and publishing, which is using a false, forged, altered or counterfeit record, deed or instrument to injure or defraud.

Green initially said he had no comment to Local 4, but eventually talked with the station Monday morning outside his West Bloomfield home, saying, "I'm not going anywhere. The police know where I live. I've talked to them already."

(Hear What John Green Has To Say)

Green was identified over the weekend as "the fan in the white hat" who apparently threw the plastic cup of beer while Artest was sprawled on his back on a scorer's table, away from a scuffle on the court. Artest then jumped up and charged into the stands, throwing punches as he climbed over seats.

Green stepped aside and another person took the initial blow. The tape of Friday's fight then shows Green attacking Artest from behind.

Green was expected to speak with Auburn Hills police Sunday night, but did not appear, the station reported.

"I think that's what escalated the whole situation. We're certainly wanting to interview that individual. That individual knows who he is. I suggest he should turn himself in to be questioned by the Auburn Hills Police Department," said Oakland County Prosecutor David Gorcyca. "If he doesn't, I can assure you we will locate him."

Authorities were able to locate Green and have questioned him regarding the incident, Local 4 learned Monday. Green could face charges and lose his season tickets at The Palace, the station reported.

Gorcyca said the investigation will begin with Green, but the prosecutor's office is expected to announce charges against 25 to 50 other fans who participated in the fight at The Palace.

Gorcyca said anyone who threw a cup or a punch -- including players and fans -- could face criminal charges.

"The throwing of an object and striking someone constitutes an assault," said Gorcyca.

One fan in particular that police want to identify is the person who threw a chair into the crowd. Police are reviewing video from a fan who snuck a camera into the game, Local 4 reported.

Police have interviewed nine witnesses who claimed that they were assaulted by one of the Pacers, Local 4 reported Monday. Investigators continue to review video to identify others involved in the brawl.

Witness Joe Hampton said he is a season-ticket holder and was about 10 rows away from the incident Friday.

"I didn't have the instinct necessarily to take off. It's just so shocking. You just kind of freeze," said Hampton. "This happened fast and it was just kind of surreal."

Authorities are trying to confirm witness information with video of the incident.

NBA security is also reviewing the tapes and plan to speak with officials at The Palace about security measures.

NBA Players' Union To Appeal Suspensions

The suspensions given to players following Friday night's incident at the Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons game are expected to be appealed by the NBA players' union Monday.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Pacers forward Ron Artest for the remainder of the season.

The NBA levied the stiffest penalties on three members of the Indiana Pacers. Overall, nine players from the teams were banned for 143 games. Artest is the first player to be suspended for nearly an entire season for a fight during a game.

The suspended Pistons sat out Sunday night's game between Detroit and the Charlotte Bobcats.