Out of curiousity...

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Actually about four and a third miles. Perhaps you should seek a refund on your courses. As to smart aleck remarks about tenacity I have enough hours for a degree in history as I have stated and have went on to a position in which I hire and fire people at your level. Not trying to be mean, and I have fired 2 people in 25 years, but you again show your arrogance and self ordained superiority. I don't consider myself innately superior to anyone...but I won't sit still and let a puink like you make remarks like that towards myself and others without reply. BUY A CALCULATOR DUDE!

LOL.. you are funny.. I have lived in America all my life, and we don't use the metric system.. Therefore it's not on the forefront of my brain to have the conversion routines memorized.. And, simple calculators wouldn't do any good, you need something with US/Metric conversions.. I could do the math in my head if I knew the rate, as it is, I took a guess..

This still does NOT change the fact that 4 miles on a 95 Km mile missle is 'significant' in the context that it makes it an absolute must that it was a '140 Km' or '150 Km' missle.. sorry.. Now, if it went 120 or 130 Km, I'd be much more inclined to accept that might have been the variant, as getting that much more distance than rated would be difficult to believe..

And, what does being in a position to fire people have to do with critical thinking skills? Do you have any idea how many managers at a local McDonalds or 7-11 'hire' and 'fire' people? Doesn't mean anything, so I'm at a loss as to why you think you needed to mention that (other than your grandstanding to detract from the points). As far as 'going on' to that position, you said yourself you started out at the bottom of the finance department for your company, and after 25 years you are now in a position of authority? good for you.. I've just been in the industry for 2.5 years.. yet I have people that have been doing like work for 10+ years comming to me for technical advice and to get problems worked.. The tenacity crack still stands.. Hours for a useless degree like History are even more irrelivant without the paper to back it up.. Go take the few courses you need for your degree.. Saying you have the credit hours in History is as impressive as your statement of 'Ph.D. in Sociology from the School of Hard Knocks'.. pointless and offers nothing to you or your credibility.. sorry..

My arrogance is directed toward you, but only after you decided to come on this board and make a crusade of trying to get others on the board to dislike me.. You have pushed the limits of debate well beyond reasonable, and as such this has degenerated into just an ugly ***** fight.. nothing more.. In that, I have no problems pissing on your shoes and smiling while I do it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

DUDE! Range is a "limit".

Yes.. in the case of most things that are for sale, it's the 'reasonable limit you can expect', not the 'maximum limit ever achieved'.. if that was the case, testing the Al Samoud missles would have shown them to fly SHORTER than their RANGE (limit as you so keep boasting).. but, in FACT, they went a tad FARTER.. hmm.. that's why he had to destroy them..

Astronomy and physics by the way are a hobby of mine and I have read extensively the rightings of Einstein, Newton, Hawking, and others. Should you choose to debate these issues on another topic I shall spank you again. Your rant preceding that statement on the truck/missile analogy was again pure pap as you changed brands...model...bodystyle..and as usual REALITY to support your claim. Give it up dude.

Your hobbies don't interest me, especially when they haven't done anything to expand your understanding of the world..

As for the truck/missle analogy.. I was thinking about that last night while driving home.. A better analogy would be a Camaro and a Z28.. Both Chevy cars, both the 'camaro' sub car.. but the real catch is, for it to be like with the missles, everyone would have to call them 2 different things.. Camaro and Z28.. not Camaro and Z28-Camaro.. Clearly, according to the documents, they aren't referring to 'Silkworm' and 'SadSack-Silkworm'.. they are based on the same base modle, yes.. but have different names (and I thought of the Ford/Murcury parallel too.. Ford Tempo and Meurcury Sable.. same chasis, different 'company', mostly same stats..)

So, to recap your 'analogy'.. the GMC Z71 with engine 1 is .. well.. a GMC Z71.. with a different 'package' that goes farther, it's.. well.. a GMC Z71.. CLEARLY not like the "SILKWORM" "SADSACK" comparison.. From Silkworm to Sadsack, the 'chasis' stays the same, the 'modle' changes .. or the 'bodystyle'.. not just the towning package.. Mine is much more accurate of reality despite your not being able to see that.. But, it's all relative anyway, isn't it?

Anywy, you keep bantering bullshit cause you don't have a leg to stand on.. 'limit' is how far it goes, nothing goes farther than it's "maximum limit".. yes sir, you are correct.. only, the 'limits' and 'ranges' listed on items is not the 'maximum', it's the 'reliabe'.. like your truck and it's 440 mile range.. you gonna tell me it could never go 445? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif whatever.. more pap from the worldly LWW who holds fabulous degrees in his own mind and dabbles in everything under the sun despite not knowing shit about what he's talking about..

*wave* This thread, for me, now officially joins the war thread.. I'm outta here again.. hopefully, this time for good..

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Ah how deftly (you think) you dodge things. My buy and sell was a direct reply to your IMPLICATION that you were ALMOST a physics major gave you some sort of superiority when in fact I have forgotten more than you will ever know on most of this...and that is what bugs you also.

The rest of your last post seems to be more regurgitated pap that has no sensical value...but what did I suspect?

PEACE

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

For the record I was watching Fox news this AM. The US armed forces found 20+ missiles plus a launcher(s) in the area where the missile fired at Kuwait City and in debate was launched. Now to settle this:

1-They were "Silkworm" missiles.

2-They were one of the "long range variants" also known as "Sawhorse".

3-The distance traversed was beyond the legal "range" of 150KM.

4-The missiles had apparently been"modified".

5-Iraq's possession of these "illegal" missiles had never been claimed on Iraq's "required declaration" of such items.

6-No "bottle rockets" were found.

PEACE

 

[nswartley 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by LWW For the record I was watching Fox

fox is INCREDIBLY republican....i mean its so biased its not even funny. watch cnn if you can. local fox stations are fine, but foxnews channel is too biased ive realized.

-nate

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Actually I watch/listen to Fox, CNN, INN in about equal amounts. Fox and Friends is the AM though rules. I also keep Foxnews.com and BBC.com handy at work. They seem to get things a bit sooner a lot more often.

But you are right in not listening to ONE source only.

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW For the record I was watching Fox news this AM. The US armed forces found 20+ missiles plus a launcher(s) in the area where the missile fired at Kuwait City and in debate was launched. Now to settle this:

 

1-They were "Silkworm" missiles.

2-They were one of the "long range variants" also known as "Sawhorse".

3-The distance traversed was beyond the legal "range" of 150KM.

4-The missiles had apparently been"modified".

5-Iraq's possession of these "illegal" missiles had never been claimed on Iraq's "required declaration" of such items.

6-No "bottle rockets" were found.

 

PEACE

So, now all of a sudden, a week or so after the fact, they 'know' the missle was launched over 150 Km when the initial guess was 102 Km at most? Hmm.. and they couldn't have moved the missles/launchers at any point.. Ok..

I'll give you they may have found missles and launchers beyond the range, but show me how they know that's the only place any missles were (or could have been) launched from?

The Sawhorse is the 140 Km variant... so 150-ish, while a stretch, is still understandable.. you say 'the distance traversed was beyond the legal range of 150 Km', but how far away are we taking? Did they find the missles/launcher at 500 km???? what? This is what I mean when I say I have a problem with how you present info.. Sure, the Sawhorse was modified and might well have gone 10,000 Km.. we don't know how far it went since you didn't say.. .. Also, as we discussed, you can't be A and B.. you are A OR B.. silkworm OR sawhorse.. to say they were silkworm missles, they were sawhorse missles.. is .. well.. ignorant.. we lable things for a reson in this world.. not so we can call one thing several names, or have several names for one thing that is different with each name but all the names are interchangable..

They weren't disclosed.. Ok.. so? that's why we were inspecting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

And, given your insistence on bringing up the bottle rocket thing AGAIN.. and I'm gonna go on a limb here and suppose that the report did NOT say it, you only hurt your argument to anyone that is trying to pay attention... at least, when I see that kind of juvenile activity I immediately loose faith in what's said.. *shrug*

So, where was this? I'd like to read the report //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[LWW 10+ year member]

Also, as we discussed, you can't be A and B.. you are A OR B.. silkworm OR sawhorse.. to say they were silkworm missles, they were sawhorse missles.. is .. well.. ignorant.. we lable things for a reson in this world.. not so we can call one thing several names, or have several names for one thing that is different with each name but all the names are interchangable..

Savant I will expose your doublespeak at every turn. The news media reported it as a "Silkworm variant" that went 100+ MILESnot KM. The treaty limit is 150 KM or 93 MILES 885 FEET and 5.588349864 INCHES how about that. Now to go 100 miles (forget the overage) you would travel 161 KM or AT LEAST 6 MILES 114 FEET and 6.4116540136 INCHES in excess of the traty limits.

Now if Saddam were COMPLYING on missiles as you have so often stated these would not have been destroyed. They would not even have been declared. They would not have been possessed in the first place.

You obviously have become so enamored of anything which supports the hatred of your own country that you are now coming out in open support of Saddam and even Hitler and have used as evidence of your position web links claiming that the US went after Usama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan because of a conspiracy to take over the Middle East. There are other idiots out there like you claiming we blew up the WTC ourself. Your constant gripe that the US lies so much along with this other stuff basicly takes us to that point in logic.

I am seriously beginning to question your sanity.

PEACE

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Originally posted by LWW Savant I will expose your doublespeak at every turn.

Um.. not doublspeak.. maybe 'mispoken' based on my thinking KM.. you now say miles..

The news media reported it as a "Silkworm variant" that went 100+ MILESnot KM. The treaty limit is 150 KM or 93 MILES 885 FEET and 5.588349864 INCHES how about that. Now to go 100 miles (forget the overage) you would travel 161 KM or AT LEAST 6 MILES 114 FEET and 6.4116540136 INCHES in excess of the traty limits. 

Now if Saddam were COMPLYING on missiles as you have so often stated these would not have been destroyed. They would not even have been declared. They would not have been possessed in the first place.

 

You obviously have become so enamored of anything which supports the hatred of your own country that you are now coming out in open support of Saddam and even Hitler and have used as evidence of your position web links claiming that the US went after Usama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan because of a conspiracy to take over the Middle East. There are other idiots out there like you claiming we blew up the WTC ourself. Your constant gripe that the US lies so much along with this other stuff basicly takes us to that point in logic.

 

I am seriously beginning to question your sanity.

 

PEACE

First off, you and I were discussing 102 KM.. not miles.. so if the range was 'miles' then yes, there is NO quesion it was NOT a silkworm.. problem is, it was called a silkworm initially, and the measurement was in KM initally, at least between us.. I've not seen a decent report on this .. and now the CNN report is saying it was a seersucker.. I have no idea what that is.. but it's not a silkworm so all this becomes moot now..

As far as complying, he was blowing up Al Samoud missles, he was complying with the UN telling him to blow them up.. No where did I say there weren't the possibilities of more illegal missles.. and when our silkworm argument started, it was based on it being a legal silkworm, your profession was that the silkworm was an illegal missle.. it is not.. neither are any of the 'variants' for that matter, as, by the published ranges, neither are the Al Samouds.. but testing showed they went farther than published ranges (which you also profess is impossible).. and if Saddam was modifying missles, then ALL missles would need to be inspected to verify compliance.. that or all missles made illegal (not a nice prospect for Saddam, but if he kept insisting on modifying missles to get beyond his legal range, then he would have brought it on himself)..

As far as supporting Saddam and Hitler, this is yet again your ignorance and shitty debating tactics showing.. I have said all along that Saddam is a bad man and agreed that we needed to make sure he was not capable of being a direct threat to the US.. Hitler was as bad a man if not worse, and I have never said anything that would imply I felt or thought there was anything wrong with going to war with him.. Any support for Saddam and/or Hitler that you think I have are based totally on your own delusions.. and there is nothing I can do about that. Hell, I was talking to someone yesterday who is also against the war, and at one point they even said it sounds like I'm pro-regeim.. why does it sound that way? cause I'm anti-illegal actions.. because I want things to be done in a just manner, not for personal gain.. I believe everyone has certian rights, even Saddam.. His actions should be what condem him, not what we want or what we feel.. I'm VERY confident that his actions would have him getting killed in any event, but if we had done it while being FULLY JUST, we would NOT be pretty much the only people absorbing the cost both financially and with lives for this effort.. If you can't understand that I support getting serious weapons out of the hands of bad men, but support doing it without making enemies then you are pretty dense.. What am I saying, we KNOW you are dense..

As far as our gov lying to us, they do.. They fabricated a story about Saddam's troops killing 300+ babies in a Kuwait hospital by taking their incubators. When the truth came out, the goverment's justification for the lie was "well, we didn't know for a fact that that couldn't have happened".. nice.. and the doctored photos of Iraqi troops amassing at the Saudi border? Another sattelite photo from the exact same time shows empty desert? Oh, wait, according to you that's just leftist propaganda, never mind that military leaders admited to these things.. right? Our goverment was lying to us about Vietnam everyday too, until we got cameras over there and started to see what was going on.. then the American People spit on our soldiers when they came home and called them baby killers and aleinated them. Why? cause the average American, then like now, is ignorant and buys what the media feeds them regardless of what info is actually being shown and said.. like on CNN they were talking about the chem suits and atropene.. someone said "so, the only conclusion can be that they are planning on using chem weapons" to which the 'expert' said "yes, that's the only reasonable conclusion".. PANTENTLY FALSE, yet the average joe doesn't know that it's a false statement and goes on to BELIEVE Iraq WILL use chem weapons.. did they? no..

I'm reading a site now that is talking about forged documents given to Congress to help get the war started.. na, that's not the administration lying.. You need to stop acting like Republicans are innocent and only Democrats commit hanus crimes in office.. POLITICIANS are guilty, on both sides.. you keep cheering and chanting like it's only liberals and democrats.. I don't get that.

 

[Savant 10+ year member]

Here.. I found your post a few pages back about how far the missle supposedly went..

Well I did say that and the maps on CNN of the trajectory claimed a distance of 100KM-105KM. Sorry I forgot that only proof ehich backs your pap counts my apologies. At least we agree it wasn't a bottle rocket.

So, YOU brought up KM.. not miles.. NOT ME.. *shrug* Though, I was pretty sure CNN was talking about 60-ish miles.. still trying to find a report on that since all CNN has now is the seersucker missle thingy..

 

[rugdnit 10+ year member]

stumbled on this thread while looking for something completely different. 6 years later i wonder if some of the " experts " that were flying the Good Ol' Boy " we're right and you're wrong " flag still stand by their comments. it amazes me that armed with information from "news" networks people would throw themselves in front of a bus to defend their political views. Right.... Left..... FAIL

 

[jco1385 5,000+ posts]

wat

 

[PollyCranopolis 10+ year member]

fox is INCREDIBLY republican....i mean its so biased its not even funny. watch cnn if you can. local fox stations are fine, but foxnews channel is too biased ive realized.
-nate

Actually, there has been more than a dozen studies by independent groups including one by Harvard University that have found time and time again that nearly all major news networks have varying degrees of bias. What's interesting to point out is that these studies have shown that Fox News tends to have a right leaning tilt, while CBS, MSNBC, and ABC both lean left. They have also proven that the majority of popular new networks (CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc) lean FAR more to the LEFT on any given day when it comes to bias in reporting than Fox news leans right. So in a nutshell, all major US news networks demonstrate bias on a regular basis, the worst offenders traditionally being networks with democrat leaning tilts.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

Actually, there has been more than a dozen studies by independent groups including one by Harvard University that have found time and time again that nearly all major news networks have varying degrees of bias. What's interesting to point out is that these studies have shown that Fox News tends to have a right leaning tilt, while CBS, MSNBC, and ABC both lean left. They have also proven that the majority of popular new networks (CBS, ABC, MSNBC, etc) lean FAR more to the LEFT on any given day when it comes to bias in reporting than Fox news leans right. So in a nutshell, all major US news networks demonstrate bias on a regular basis, the worst offenders traditionally being networks with democrat leaning tilts.

You do realize he hasn't been on this site in 4 years right.

 

[SicAudio 5,000+ posts]

You do realize he hasn't been on this site in 4 years right.

ROFLMFAO

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[mcsoul 10+ year member]

stumbled on this thread while looking for something completely different. 6 years later i wonder if some of the " experts " that were flying the Good Ol' Boy " we're right and you're wrong " flag still stand by their comments. it amazes me that armed with information from "news" networks people would throw themselves in front of a bus to defend their political views. Right.... Left..... FAIL

I love how people think they are in the middle.