Our civil rights are being taken away!!!!!!!!

[06goat 10+ year member]

Where the **** is Proximity I wanna hear what that **** has to say

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

The President has said that he will veto this bill with that amendment in it. Also as others have noted, this is such an obvious violation of the 5th amendment that it would almost certainly be ruled as so by the Supreme Court (as it has in the past; Hamdi v. Rumsfeld - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The vote in the Senate was veto-proof. I already contacted my congressman on Monday to let him know he needs to vote against this thing.

If this thing passes the House with the same kind of margin it passed the Senate, Obama's veto threat is worthless.

This has less to do with terrorists and more to do with the possibility of civil unrest.

There's just no math that shows anything other than economic collapse in 3-5 years for us without real painful changes. (Sooner for the Euro) We need at least a 7% swing just to get a little more road so we can continue to "kick the can" down it. And that's a real swing, not the "cuts" Washington speaks of now. -Those are just reductions in the rate of (unsastainable and soon to collapse) increased spending.

 

[05fronty 5,000+ posts]

my nutz itch

 

[Rich B 5,000+ posts]

here is a link that explains a little more and I guess it makes beastiality legal also.

I guess thats a fair trade.

 

[Sub Woofin 10+ year member]

here is a link that explains a little more and I guess it makes beastiality legal also.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CFMQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgawker.com%2F5865089%2F20-things-you-should-know-about-americas-most-horrifying-new-law&ei=aYXgTvX5G4WugQfHvdj3BQ&usg=AFQjCNFK4M-xPJVPiEj8NJQ-D3MMHhR69A

20. Texas Republicans have somehow worked *** with animals into all this.

freakin rednecks!

 

[jdawg90 10+ year member]

This is the same type of logic as the if you have nothing to hide you shouldn't care if they set up video surveillance on your house and hide microphones every where stuff

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

The vote in the Senate was veto-proof. I already contacted my congressman on Monday to let him know he needs to vote against this thing.
If this thing passes the House with the same kind of margin it passed the Senate, Obama's veto threat is worthless.

This has less to do with terrorists and more to do with the possibility of civil unrest.

There's just no math that shows anything other than economic collapse in 3-5 years for us without real painful changes. (Sooner for the Euro) We need at least a 7% swing just to get a little more road so we can continue to "kick the can" down it. And that's a real swing, not the "cuts" Washington speaks of now. -Those are just reductions in the rate of (unsastainable and soon to collapse) increased spending.

There's no such thing as veto proof. Even if the bill gets every single vote in the House the president can still veto it. It will go back to the Senate where it originated and if it gets 2/3 in the Senate and then 2/3 in the House, then it will become law and the veto will have been overridden.

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

You really think that our president is going to veto a bill that flies right past the house and senate? You have more faith in him than the rest of the country....

The government has been doing some form of what our government is doing to us today since the dawn of America.....Just so slowly that some people don't notice.

A lot of presidents tried to warn us.

"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - George Washington

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." - Teddy Roosevelt

...and the smoking gun:

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

"The government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Ronald Reagan

One of my favorite quotes of all time.

 

[Z1NONLY 10+ year member]

There's no such thing as veto proof. Even if the bill gets every single vote in the House the president can still veto it. It will go back to the Senate where it originated and if it gets 2/3 in the Senate and then 2/3 in the House, then it will become law and the veto will have been overridden.

"Vote margins sufficient to override a presidential veto" isn't as catchy as "veto proof". The point that the president lacks the power to stop legislation when it's backed by such margins in both houses is illustrated in the simplistic, yet functionally accurate, term.

The president can't stop legislation if it's backed by that kind of margin in both houses. Thus the term "veto-proof".

 

[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

Im with Disturbed on the issue..I will be one of those knocking off those invading my space, and trying to take me somewhere.Ill not leave, only in a bag.I will protect myself at all cost:moon: The Gov can kiss my a s s for this kind of bs:bsflag:

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

why dont you go visit North Korea then come back to the United States and see if you still believe that.

This seems to be failed logic. Since we still enjoy more liberty than the 3 or 4 worst tinpot dictatorships in the world we haven't lost any freedom in our lifetimes? Hey compared to Zimbabwe we have a strong manufacturing base, a booming economy, very low unemployment, and almost no inflation!

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

OP needs to turn off Alex Jones and start thinking for himself. Sensationalism, fear mongering, and demogoguery for the most part.

If we can postulate (which I will) that the government is pretty well out of control and acts in a lawless manner frequently, why would they even need to make laws to make this legal at all?

Simply put tyranny, or barbarism as a system of government (might makes right) would not need to codify such behavior, it would just be done. Fact is people who buck the system too bad already do disappear/*******/etc.

As far as beastiality being legal, who cares? If allowing me to legally **** a sheep is the worst thing the government is doing to us be thankful!

 

[VWBobby 10+ year member]

If allowing me to legally **** a sheep is the worst thing the government is doing to us be thankful!

I almost liked both of your posts until I saw this...... (I know, big threat right?) You would rather trade some of your rights and freedoms, for the right to bestiality? If you spell out what is at stake, I don't see how anyone could think this is OK..... Remember, bestiality used to be "illegal" in all situations, why do you think there's the sudden change?

 

[jdawg90 10+ year member]

What are you gonna do if 20 people with M-16's show up at your place wanting your guns?