oklahoma's new law HB 1804

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Liberals are just being liberals, and conservatives have the chamber of commerce and big money in their pockets trying to stay away from regulation...or atleast enforcing it. Thats how I see it on this issue :/

Nonetheless, it's still a case of conservatives arguing for more government interference with the natural market and labor relations. The cherry on the top of it all, is that they also provide a path to file a discrimination lawsuit.

Why doesn't their quest for workplace regulation apply to affirmative action?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Nonetheless, it's still a case of conservatives arguing for more government interference with the natural market and labor relations. The cherry on the top of it all, is that they also provide a path to file a discrimination lawsuit.
Why doesn't their quest for workplace regulation apply to affirmative action?

regulation is regulation...

Unfortunately the regulation in this OK bill is only as good as its enforcement. From a Federal standpoint we've seen how lame interior and border enforcement of immigration law has been under the Bush administration //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[Nukedsodapop 5,000+ posts]

another oklahoman here, a d i'm for it

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

I live in a nursery town

the hispanics are fleeing lol

I know a gut that works @ a nursery, he said half the crews didnt show up on Haloween

hopefully this will go well for us

 

[MikeofTulsa Moderator]

i know mike of tulsa was going to hit this one up

whats that suppost to mean?

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

whats that suppost to mean?

You are from OK and he figured you might just have something to say on the subject. UH DUUUUUUR. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

regulation is regulation...
Unfortunately the regulation in this OK bill is only as good as its enforcement. From a Federal standpoint we've seen how lame interior and border enforcement of immigration law has been under the Bush administration //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Well, let's not just blame it on the Bush administration, Immigration enforcement has been one of the biggest jokes in our legal system for many many years.

 

[faulkton 5,000+ posts]

Well, let's not just blame it on the Bush administration, Immigration enforcement has been one of the biggest jokes in our legal system for many many years.

Conservatives love to point to the successes of Ronald Regan, yet abhor his amnesty bill.

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[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Or his excessive spending programs...

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I just liked his acting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Like that one time he portrayed the president.

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Conservatives love to point to the successes of Ronald Regan, yet abhor his amnesty bill.
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That's true.

Yet another example of how no one's perfect. I was pretty young then, so I don't remember it. I can only deal with today.

**** illegals, though. I've spent many many thousands of dollars doing it the right way... now I don't give a **** about losers who sneak in and have the chance to circumvent the system and get rewarded for it.

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

Emergency care means childbirth though, which means another anchor baby. We need to keep giving emergency care but we need to do away with birthright citizenship!

*coughs*

Then you wouldn't be a citizen either... where did your family come from?

 

[tRidiot 10+ year member]

Like that one time he portrayed the president.

Yeah that was a long-running series...

 

[sundownz Pro Seller]

I'm all for immigration reform if they make becoming a legal citizen within reach for people. They make it complicated and expensive so that most people don't even know what to do even if they wanted to do it.

Face it... big business doesn't WANT legal immigrants. They want illegals... scared of being deported and willing to work for crap wages. Big business runs the country, and as long as they do we will have illegal immigrants working our crap jobs at low wages.

 

[savagebee 10+ year member]

precisely..

the nursery's in this area lost (w.a.g) 50% of their workforce this week.. lots and lots of illegals left for arkansas and kansas this week, the nurserys dont want legal citizens.. they want under paid workers with no benefits, why pay an american minimum wage when they can pay an illegal $3/hr?

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

*coughs*
Then you wouldn't be a citizen either... where did your family come from?

The 14th amendment was enacted to ensure civil rights to newly freed slaves after the civil war. It was not meant as a means for illegals to plant roots via an anchor baby. Quite a few countries don't have birthright citizenship, the status of the child is dependant on the citizenship status of the parents, which with a wide open border for jumpers, would be a much better plan here.

I'm here because both of my parents are legal U.S. citizens, I would be a citizen even if free-for-all birthright citizenship didn't exist.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

I'm all for immigration reform if they make becoming a legal citizen within reach for people. They make it complicated and expensive so that most people don't even know what to do even if they wanted to do it.
Face it... big business doesn't WANT legal immigrants. They want illegals... scared of being deported and willing to work for crap wages. Big business runs the country, and as long as they do we will have illegal immigrants working our crap jobs at low wages.

Yup, we need enforcement on both ends of the spectrum, the illegals themselves but more importantly the employers that draw them here. They exploit workers and exploit the taxpaying public. When cheap ass employer bob doesn't give healthcare to his illegal aliens and pays them 3 bucks an hour guess who picks up the healthcare tab...all the while employer bob gets fat.

We really need to look at the financial impact of illegal immigration and amnesty before we just say we should have "immigration reform", which is usually just congress code speak for amnesty. Here's some scary numbers:

Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household

If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.

I don't believe in amnesty one bit, but if there is to be anything close I think the minimum wage needs to be raised drastically to head off the tax deficits shown above so our eleventy billion new citizens wouldn't just turn on the drain like a light switch, and the employers would have to pay a decent wage.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Well, let's not just blame it on the Bush administration, Immigration enforcement has been one of the biggest jokes in our legal system for many many years.

Very true, outside of the reagan push below though bush is the most recent president pushing amnesty this hard...and enforcement and employer crackdowns stopped abrubtly at the beginning of the his administration.

Conservatives love to point to the successes of Ronald Regan, yet abhor his amnesty bill.
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Yup, but remember teddy kennedy and his reassuring statements back then...like:

"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this."
-- Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

...and who is the one pushing amnesty again //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

pretty lame law........sounds like it was written by an ignorant redneck