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Anyone see lebrons 24 point quarter? I was so happy to watch that, hoping he would have a 50+ game, but only scored 10 points in the 2nd 3rd and 4th //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

I was quite dissappointed.

 
Cleveland Cavaliers 2006-2007- 43.5 Total RPG/12.6 ORPG/30.8 DRPG

- 92.9 points allowed per game (41 PPG in the paint)

- 4.3 blocks per game

Cleveland Cavaliers 2007-2008 - before trade

- 42.4 Total RPG/11.8 ORPG/30.6 DRPG

- 101.3 points allowed per game (48.7 PPG in the paint)

- 4.1 blocks per game

Cleveland Cavaliers 2007-2008 - after trade

- 46.6 Total RPG/15.8 ORPG/30.8 DRPG

- 98.3 points allowed per game (40.5 PPG in the paint)

- 5.8 blocks per game

pretty marginal in terms of stats...

it's not going to be just Ben Wallace's stats, it's his impact and presence, and the numbers since the trade show a pretty decent shift in the defense and in the rebounds...Wallace and Joe Smith have really added beef to that lineup and have done a better job at collapsing in the block than Gooden was doing by himself.

now I am no NBA coach, but IMO Mike Brown would be best to run Z and AV together in the starting lineup and have Smith and Ben coming off the bench. Ben and Smith worked well together on the court in Chicago and are a pretty decent combination of offense and defense. Not to mention that they are able to hang better with the opposing team's 2nd unit rather than the starters...less liability and more production...just my 2 cents...

3 pts is marginal?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Only stat there worth anything is the block shots and what I said went up with Ben. And of course the PPG in the paint should go down, which I also said as it is Ben Wallace and Joe Smith compared to 1 person in Gooden. Also they have lost more than they won with this trade I believe. So I don't see how posting up these huge marginal stats, lol, is really proving anything. I could see if they were winning, but they are not.

I agree about using AV and Z though. Thats how it should be and they have used it a few times, but won't stick to it.

Also Wallace don't have much a presence anymore like he used too. His time is up if you ask me. Not the same player as he was in Detriot. He is still getting his money, so what does he care.

 
who the hell are you? its like you have never seen a season in your life and are quoting bill walton aka captain obvious

i know, i know

because your fat wife and her 3 trophy's took the laughter out of your life before you get here everyday.

oh thats right, you cant afford a wedding...so we can change that to your fat g/f

oh shit! welcome to last season junior

i like this guy
Are you smacking your hands on the keyboard again? Because that made no sense.

Also the wedding has been paid off for months retard! The honeymoon and everything. So I have no clue as were the fuk you get your weak shit from. Go drive your grandpa around as I am sure he loves your grocery getter.

 
3 pts is marginal?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif Only stat there worth anything is the block shots and what I said went up with Ben. And of course the PPG in the paint should go down, which I also said as it is Ben Wallace and Joe Smith compared to 1 person in Gooden. Also they have lost more than they won with this trade I believe. So I don't see how posting up these huge marginal stats, lol, is really proving anything. I could see if they were winning, but they are not.
I agree about using AV and Z though. Thats how it should be and they have used it a few times, but won't stick to it.

Also Wallace don't have much a presence anymore like he used too. His time is up if you ask me. Not the same player as he was in Detriot. He is still getting his money, so what does he care.
well FYI that 3 points took them from 21st in the league defensively down to 11th, in a league with 30 teams and statistically that is considered beyond marginal, it normally takes another season for teams to make such a leap.

the point of posting the stats was to backup the claims that this trade actually did help the team, they do have a better chance at beating teams now, so there is no excuse for the continued downward spiral, no excuse other than Mike Brown and Lebron James, it's their job to determine what needs to change in order to help that team succeed...

Ben isnt the same player, no refuting that, but he is the reason that the blocked shots are up and that the point in the paint have decreased so much so he does still maintain somewhat of a presence...enough to change shots up here and there at least...Chicago was beyond stupid to sign him to such a large deal, and IMO Cleveland should have never of brought him in.

From the get go I said it was a bad move. However looking at the numbers, they are technically doing better than I thought they would with these guys, so the lack of W's is puzzling...the funny part of all of this, is Larry Hughes. the majority of the fan base hated the guy, a lot of analysts talked negative about him and his ability, however it was he all along that took that pressure off of James. It gave the opposing team someone else to contend with as Hughes is a big guard, that is strong and can shoot the ball very well when he's on.

ironic...

 
well FYI that 3 points took them from 21st in the league defensively down to 11th, in a league with 30 teams and statistically that is considered beyond marginal, it normally takes another season for teams to make such a leap.
the point of posting the stats was to backup the claims that this trade actually did help the team, they do have a better chance at beating teams now, so there is no excuse for the continued downward spiral, no excuse other than Mike Brown and Lebron James, it's their job to determine what needs to change in order to help that team succeed...

Ben isnt the same player, no refuting that, but he is the reason that the blocked shots are up and that the point in the paint have decreased so much so he does still maintain somewhat of a presence...enough to change shots up here and there at least...Chicago was beyond stupid to sign him to such a large deal, and IMO Cleveland should have never of brought him in.

From the get go I said it was a bad move. However looking at the numbers, they are technically doing better than I thought they would with these guys, so the lack of W's is puzzling...the funny part of all of this, is Larry Hughes. the majority of the fan base hated the guy, a lot of analysts talked negative about him and his ability, however it was he all along that took that pressure off of James. It gave the opposing team someone else to contend with as Hughes is a big guard, that is strong and can shoot the ball very well when he's on.

ironic...

That is my point is that they are doing these things and not winning. So what if they went from 21st to 11th defensivly. Is it gaing wins? Nope, matter of fact they have lost more than they won since they got them. So I guess it is a puzzeling aspect of why are they not winning. To me it comes down to their team moral. They seem to have lost that drive they had last year. Don't even look like the same team and in retrospect, isn't. Just wish they could do something and I know they won't. They haven't put together a good winning streak like I hope they would. I think the most they got too, was 6 IIRC. That was before the trade as well. Maybe it is a gel thing and I guess when you get 4 new players it could effect the moral of the team either good or bad and seems to be bad right now. I thought when Sasha and Gibson came off their injuries they would do better, but nope. Oh well, here is too next year as they made the playoffs and seems like you might be right as they may struggle to get past the 1st round the way they are playing right now. I can only hope for now.

I really wish we had Hughes back. Guy was actually shooting the ball very well before the trade. I even like Gooden better than Wallace or Smith, but oh well.

 
first playoff match clinched is Cleveland vs. Washington, Cleveland isn't ready for the playoffs and Washington is itching for retribution against the Cavs, this will be the 3rd season in a row that they have faced one another in the playoffs...

should maybe be interesting...

Orlando actually beating a sub par team to land their 50th win, first 50 win season for the team since the Shaq era in 1996...However the recent losses to NY and Minny still have my stomach upset...Magic will most likely play the Raptors in the first round, unless Philly wins their next 2 games...

 
alright with all of the eastern games finished tonight, the match ups are set in the eastern conference for the first round of the playoffs.

The match ups are as follows

(1)Celtics vs. (8)Hawks

(2)Pistons vs. (7)Sixers

(3)Magic vs. (6)Raps

(4)Cavs vs. (5)Wizards

 
alright with all of the eastern games finished tonight, the match ups are set in the eastern conference for the first round of the playoffs.
The match ups are as follows

(1)Celtics vs. (8)Hawks

(2)Pistons vs. (7)Sixers

(3)Magic vs. (6)Raps

(4)Cavs vs. (5)Wizards
the top 3 will cruise through to the next round i think. cleveland may have problems

 
yea I am expecting the Cavs to struggle mightily against the Wizards. This is the 3rd straight year in a row that the Wiz and the Cavs meet in the first round, obviously the Cavs won the previous two series. There is a little bit of bad blood between the two. Cavs have wicked underachieved basically all season considering they are the EC Champs and they stumbled even more after the trade, and yet they are still at 44 wins. If Caron is healthy in the playoffs, expect the Wiz to look for a quick end to this one. With Caron healthy I have to go Wiz in 6...

Boston beats Hawks, however I am expecting the Hawks to steal at least one win in ATL, they are hard to beat at the Phillips.

Detroit will murk the Sixers, I am calling a sweep in this one.

Magic and Raptors match up alright, both teams are quality 3 point shooters, people say that the Raps are the better of the two, but my opinion is that the Magic are the better 3 point threat, especially with the inside out game. Raptors have no answer for Dwight and Magic have no real answer for Bosh. Calderon and TJ are much better than Nelson/Arroyo, but the Magic are able to overcome and have done so all year. Should be the most exciting series of the 4...well the closest at least...

 
yea I am expecting the Cavs to struggle mightily against the Wizards. This is the 3rd straight year in a row that the Wiz and the Cavs meet in the first round, obviously the Cavs won the previous two series. There is a little bit of bad blood between the two. Cavs have wicked underachieved basically all season considering they are the EC Champs and they stumbled even more after the trade, and yet they are still at 44 wins. If Caron is healthy in the playoffs, expect the Wiz to look for a quick end to this one. With Caron healthy I have to go Wiz in 6...

Boston beats Hawks, however I am expecting the Hawks to steal at least one win in ATL, they are hard to beat at the Phillips.

Detroit will murk the Sixers, I am calling a sweep in this one.

Magic and Raptors match up alright, both teams are quality 3 point shooters, people say that the Raps are the better of the two, but my opinion is that the Magic are the better 3 point threat, especially with the inside out game. Raptors have no answer for Dwight and Magic have no real answer for Bosh. Calderon and TJ are much better than Nelson/Arroyo, but the Magic are able to overcome and have done so all year. Should be the most exciting series of the 4...well the closest at least...
Well as usual the Cavs get no respect, which is cool. Makes it that much sweeter, which I loved last year and ate it up. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Not saying we will get there again, but to say the Wizards will put a quick end to us with a healthy Caron is a bit shallow. We have beat them the last two years with Gilbert and Jamison and then last year with all 3 of them. So nothing new to us, but it will be a battle as usual with the Cavs taking it in 6 I believe.

Will more than likely be Boston and Detriot in the championship game. I really feel this is Boston's year and have said it from the beginning.

Boston vs Phoenix was my original pic.

Would love to see Cleveland and Phonenix though. Dreams, I know.

 
Dammit, I missed it. Fell asleep! I was watching most of it and Shaq kept getting into foul trouble.

Also Rilla, I know it is only the first game, but the Cavs are up 1-0. So much for quick work. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
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