New svs towers/center/surrounds

Looks good for commercial speakers. They share similar beliefs - the tweeter is

crucial to a loudspeaker, so they scored some great tweeters for the design.

[borat] ... nice... how much ?

$1400/pair.

The custom woofers probably cost them under $25 each which is fine, they

are using the killer tweeter.

DIY equivalent:

If you wanted to clone this, the driver costs you'd pay would be $440/pair for

tweeters. You'd probably need to spend $35 for good midwoofers, that puts you

in the $580 DIY price range just for drivers. Use my rule of thumb, multiply that

number by 5 - 20 times. If SVS were a high end exotic brand, then they would be

pricing these speakers using a dealer model, priced anyone from $2900 - $11,600

pair. Buy direct model, cut that number in half, so $1450 - $5800.

It's a good deal.

Step 2: Go listen to them before you buy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
Looks good for commercial speakers. They share similar beliefs - the tweeter iscrucial to a loudspeaker, so they scored some great tweeters for the design.

[borat] ... nice... how much ?

$1400/pair.

The custom woofers probably cost them under $25 each which is fine, they

are using the killer tweeter.

DIY equivalent:

If you wanted to clone this, the driver costs you'd pay would be $440/pair for

tweeters. You'd probably need to spend $35 for good midwoofers, that puts you

in the $580 DIY price range just for drivers. Use my rule of thumb, multiply that

number by 5 - 20 times. If SVS were a high end exotic brand, then they would be

pricing these speakers using a dealer model, priced anyone from $2900 - $11,600

pair. Buy direct model, cut that number in half, so $1450 - $5800.

It's a good deal.

Step 2: Go listen to them before you buy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

$35 midwoofer? If you are playing that much for the tweeter you can surely step up the mid...

But, I always agree with step 2... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

I'd really love to order a full setup from them.
nG

I would like to hear them sometime... Also, in you avi there, is my arm going through bmxfegs neck?

 
$35 midwoofer? If you are playing that much for the tweeter you can surely step up the mid...

DIY equivalent {$35 mid}, lol

Sure if you are not making an equivalent, score some $150 mids //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

but there are some very nice mids in the $25 - $45 price range.

Look at these new ones. $39

http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__M-130X,848.html

http://www.rawacoustics.com/item__M-165X,849.html

7.8mm xmax, XBL^2 motor.

 
I might be having a little project in the next 2-4 weeks just depends how fast the parts get here.

I have seen the light, diy is cheaper and more bang for the buck //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
I have seen the light, diy is cheaper and more bang for the buck

DIY is good but the drawback is you need to collect tools, come up with

a gamplan and then do the work. If you buy good tools they stay with

you for a long time if you want to build more stuff. Good tools = good work.

Table saw?

Router?

Drill ?

If you want to make DIY easy, over-engineer you ideas so you don't lose

interest in your speakers too soon - because you will spend more later building

new ones. If you really want to move forward, go all active -> DCX2496

If you did go all active, then you can pretty much just design your own system

using your favorite drivers *or* drivers that are interesting to you. It's easy

to get random drivers to blend well with a good signal processor.

What is the latest on the design you want to build?

 
I have seen the light, diy is cheaper and more bang for the buck
DIY is good but the drawback is you need to collect tools, come up with

a gamplan and then do the work. If you buy good tools they stay with

you for a long time if you want to build more stuff. Good tools = good work.

Table saw?

Router?

Drill ?

If you want to make DIY easy, over-engineer you ideas so you don't lose

interest in your speakers too soon - because you will spend more later building

new ones. If you really want to move forward, go all active -> DCX2496

If you did go all active, then you can pretty much just design your own system

using your favorite drivers *or* drivers that are interesting to you. It's easy

to get random drivers to blend well with a good signal processor.

What is the latest on the design you want to build?
I am gonna start with a sub I need more bass //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

As far as tools go ill have a friend build the boxes for me, he built a couple for me for dbdrag but he never had enough time to build me 1 a week lol ( I built the rest but they never came out as nice as his)

Right now I am unsure if I should go with 15" or a 12" I dont have much space to play with and want to tune around 25 hertz, but if the 15" really ouputs allot more then the 12" then ill go that way

these are the things I am planing on getting

(I had planned it before but never went through with it)

http://www.tcsounds.com/tc3000.htm

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-808&ctab=2#Tabs

Then when I am done with this and if I like the sound, I will take the next step and order the kit from sardonyx.

 
The best part about active with the DCX is that if you feel the urge you can go whip up a speaker design in the woodshop and not even have to worry about designing/building a crossover. Just plug it in, change some settings on the DCX and your ready to rock.

 
For the price of that TC woofer you could buy a new SS RL-P 18"

*edit* If you even think you might go active sometime in the future, dump that plate amp and go buy a quality rack amp. My vote always goes to QSC.

 
Did you model the subwoofer design in WinISD?

TC3000 woofer; Quad 2 ohm coils. You can wire all four coils for either;

1/2 ohm 2 ohm, or 8 ohm.

PE Plate amp; It's rated for 500w @ 8 ohms, 1000w @ 4 ohms.

You'd have to wire up the TC3000 for 8 ohms and you'd only

get 500w from the amp. It would be risky to connect a 2 ohm woofer

load to that plate amp. $400 for the plate amp with an 8 ohm load isn't

worth the money spent. But they give you an EQ and low pass filter, 4th order

which is nice.

If you want to make your audio more future proof you can get a proamp

and seperate signal processor. A cheap idea is to use the Buttkicker BKA1000

class D mono amp, it's not too bad for $250. It's fanless, has RCA input, low

pass, etc., and it is 2 ohm stable @ 1900w. Who knows what the real power is

if you benched it as most amps are inflated in their power specs.

Some of these Buttkicker amps have toasted in the field and the company has

honored the warranty and sent out replacements [keep your receipt], they

blamed bad caps, but who knows. If you want to be a thrillseeker, snag a

Crown CE4000 on the used market. It's cost alot at $650 - $800 but it's a

steal if you understand it's design. I can tell in in greater detail why it rules.

Essentially you are getting an amplifier that has many 'power' features of

the Crown Itech 4000 that cost $2500 - $4000. You get SMPS, PFC, SMPS,

real heatsinks + fan, wind tunnel cooling. That's a great snag. I know two

people on the AVS forum that recently score some at ~ $650 on ebay.

I can't think of any other subwoofer amplifier that can beat this for the money

unless you get into the $1500 - $2000 price range. This amp would be 'future

proof' for bass. It also supports 220VAC if you want to extract even more power.

Big money initially but the power it delivers rules.

Since you are getting into DIY, start to check out this forum section.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=155

Check out this crazy HT install;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=867123

Jai's LMS / PR sub. nice

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=860957

Another flavor of the month woofer; CSS SDX

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=864243

 
theirs a dual 2 ohm version the one I am getting, If I finally decide to get it lol

Oh yah I seen that setup... IMO its the first time I can say its trully over kill. They NEED a bigger room, that room is tiny.

I havent read all 8 pages of the tc 5400 build but how does the guy like it so far?

 
Dang this ***** //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif The only thing limiting right now on what I do is available ac outlets I have one dedicated 20 amp and a shared 15 amp outlet, but I dunno if thats enough anymore for what my future plans are calling for.

My towers are rated at 8 amp each and the new plate amp is 10 and plus the receiver and tv etc etc and when I add another amp I am gonna be pushing it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

 
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