New Pics of XXX and MX

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

To make a post like that, I would hope so........

lol

btw the rest of that horn $$$ was put in paypal fri, but should be ready to send out by thursday. god **** paypal wait times. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

no it's not possible to do that... sry... no material can carry that much flux period!
you can't keep increasing BL... if you do QTS will drop to around 0.0000000001 which can't be used in any box of reasonable size

You can't do what you said... period... sry to burst your bubble

with 2800g it means you need a ungodly stiff suspension (I don't think 0.01mm/N is possible) and 200Tm you're looking at a nano units of QTS...

just so you know... if you have a 100g mms and a 96db/w SPL... up that to 300g... you loose around 7db efficency... try to make up for that in BL... you need to double the speaker's costs and you can only gain 1.5db of that back before reaching a QTS of 0.15

adding BL doesn't fix the Mms ... it just helps the tinyest amount... at the HUGE costs of build costs

and as far as unconventional speakers... if you had knowledge of what Dylan and I are building as we speak... well... yea...

Of course it isnt reasonable, Who said anything about it being reasonable?

pssst it is possible //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif do some REALLY radical FEA modeling, you might run into something...

You can honestly only USE ~90tm of bl...(and still have a decent q in the .28ish range)

think...BIG...in all aspects...

Knowledge?...Unconventional?...

Don't be so sure of yourself you don't know me...

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[Feandil 10+ year member]

Don't be so sure of yourself you don't know me...

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and you have absolutely no idea what I edited out of that message and what Dan wiggins is building for me right now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

achieving 90tm eh.... wanna show me that motor?

$400 in Neo mags... 22 layer voice coil....

and even then you're looking at an SPL around 95db/w... not 130db/w

your ideas don't transport into reality at all

so here's the closest specs I can get to your "perfect notion"

Fs = 14 Hz

Qms = 122.2

Vas = 116.6 liters

Cms = 0.0517 mm/N

Mms = 2500 g

Rms = 1.8 kg/s

Xmax = 200 mm

Xmech = 300 mm

P-Dia = 400.5 mm

Sd = 1260 sq.cm

P-Vd = 25.2 liters

Qes = 0.0841

Re = 3.1 ohms

Z = 4 ohms

BL = 90 Tm

Qts = 0.084

1-W SPL = 87.84 dB

2.83-V SPL = 91.96 dB

have fun with that speaker... I sure as hell wouldn't

18" speaker that's 88db/w efficent //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

in Infinite baffle (infinite sealed box) you reach 70mm at 6hz with 15,000 watts

I'll let you keep this incredibly expensive, low SPL, inefficent monster

Oh and F3 point in IB is 100hz... might want to reconsider

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

I'll let you keep this incredibly expensive, low SPL, inefficent monster

Oh and F3 point in IB is 100hz... might want to reconsider

i'll take two, when's the soonest they can be here?

 

[BoominBeast]

um, yaaaa. hi........//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

um were can i find these xox subrappers:wow: //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/nono.gif.eca61d170185779e0921b0faa9704973.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/slap.gif.87520e8ca8e90076ac30e777c0de5331.gif

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

i'll take two, when's the soonest they can be here?

these specs are bit more realistic:

Fs = 14 Hz

Qms = 146.5

Vas = 97.18 liters

Cms = 0.0431 mm/N

Mms = 3000 g

Rms = 1.8 kg/s

Xmax = 200 mm

Xmech = 300 mm

P-Dia = 400.5 mm

Sd = 1260 sq.cm

P-Vd = 25.2 liters

Qes = 0.327

Re = 3.1 ohms

Z = 4 ohms

BL = 50 Tm

Qts = 0.326

1-W SPL = 81.16 dB

2.83-V SPL = 85.28 dB

wait... wait... isn't this what I said would happen from the beginning???

81db/w for an 18" anyone???

but now in IB with 12,000 watts you reach 50mm one way at 13hz... YAY TEAM!!!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

at least the F3 in IB is around 50hz... useable

just so you know... the suspension for that would cost around as much to design and make quite a few of the XXX 12's

 

[BoominBeast]

these specs are bit more realistic:
Fs = 14 Hz

Qms = 146.5

Vas = 97.18 liters

Cms = 0.0431 mm/N

Mms = 3000 g

Rms = 1.8 kg/s

Xmax = 200 mm

Xmech = 300 mm

P-Dia = 400.5 mm

Sd = 1260 sq.cm

P-Vd = 25.2 liters

Qes = 0.327

Re = 3.1 ohms

Z = 4 ohms

BL = 50 Tm

Qts = 0.326

1-W SPL = 81.16 dB

2.83-V SPL = 85.28 dB

wait... wait... isn't this what I said would happen from the beginning???

81db/w for an 18" anyone???

but now in IB with 12,000 watts you reach 50mm one way at 13hz... YAY TEAM!!!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crying.gif.ec0ebefe590df0251476573bc49e46d8.gif

at least the F3 in IB is around 50hz... useable

thats a crappy woofer... could it be an audiobahn??

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

you has a pm sir

that stuff does not need to be here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

lol...you took it litterally...lmfao...

read the pm, explains everything.

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

lol...you took it litterally...lmfao...
read the pm, explains everything.

you can't do what you said... and I proved it...

only way to do it is lower Mms ... period... that's the deciding factor of all of this

anyway all of this won't matter in 1 mth...

show me specs for this speaker you're talking about with 130db/w ... heck even 110db/w with the power handling to move 200mm one way...

 

[NDMstang65 10+ year member]

Your the one who assumed an 18" cone....i never said a **** thing about an 18" cone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

48" baffle

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When you assume you make an *** of you and me.

game over.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

you can't do what you said... and I proved it...
only way to do it is lower Mms ... period... that's the deciding factor of all of this

anyway all of this won't matter in 1 mth...

show me specs for this speaker you're talking about with 130db/w ... heck even 110db/w with the power handling to move 200mm one way...

Still, you're thinking BULLSHIT on paper. I don't care about on paper, I care about REAL LIFE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

NG

PS: I'm an *******.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

Still, you're thinking BULLSHIT on paper. I don't care about on paper, I care about REAL LIFE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
NG

PS: I'm an *******.

its a character strength, and dont you ever let anyone tell you any different

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

Your the one who assumed an 18" cone....i never said a **** thing about an 18" cone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
48" baffle

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When you assume you make an *** of you and me.

game over.

48" baffle?????

18" cone I assumed because I figured you would want the largest sub...

ok so 48"x48" cone

I assume it's made out of solid diamond to be light enough for the coils to accept enough power to move it to excursion

Fs = 14 Hz

Qms = 146.5

Vas = 13478 liters

Cms = 0.0431 mm/N

Mms = 3000 g

Rms = 1.8 kg/s

Xmax = 200 mm

Xmech = 300 mm

P-Dia = 1375 mm

Sd = 2300 sq.in

P-Vd = 296.8 liters

Qes = 0.327

Re = 3.1 ohms

Z = 4 ohms

BL = 50 Tm

Qts = 0.326

1-W SPL = 102.6 dB

2.83-V SPL = 106.7 dB

still not 130db/w...

Inifinte baffle you need around 12,000 watts to reach 80mm one way at 6hz...

what are you going to tell me I did wrong now?

again assuming no power compression

 

[Feandil 10+ year member]

Still, you're thinking BULLSHIT on paper. I don't care about on paper, I care about REAL LIFE //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
NG

PS: I'm an *******.

what do you mean exactly?

paper = real life... that is if the specs meet production

if you're talking about predictions for you car etc... nobody's making those claims

but specs mean how it will act in a open air enivronment like outdoors... or in your home