Need advice....very detailed

[pinkfloydms 10+ year member]

Also, whats wrong with putting components all the way through the cabin where the stock speakers were?

 

[FiveseveN 10+ year member]

Thats what I was asking in my original post...........sorry it was so long I am sure alot of people didnt want to sit through that.

But yeah I was wondering if it would sound that much better if I put components in the front, second row and third row. Also if I should do 3way or 2way in any or all of the area's.

I think I am going to toss the spare tire and put a sub there, it seems to be my only real option. Maybe put a couple 10" Rainbows there?

FiveseveN

 

[sue bee 10+ year member]

sub in the tire well of an excursion? i think that is going to be far as hell from your ear. you can tweak it with time advance/delay though i imagine. still, kinda a hassle.

 

[FiveseveN 10+ year member]

sub in the tire well of an excursion? i think that is going to be far as hell from your ear. you can tweak it with time advance/delay though i imagine. still, kinda a hassle.

I have no other options. There is no room for a sub in front of or under the third row seat. There is no room for one in front or under the second row, and I cant give up my front row center console as its being used.

The only place is inside the trim somewhere which doesnt seem to be any room, or behind the third row seat which is were my cargo space and spare tire is. So it makes sense to give up the tire since its wasted space. The tire can be relocated outside the car if I want to keep it.

I cant imagine that it is that far to need any kind of delay.

FiveseveN

 

[Headbanger 10+ year member]

You could pull the third row of seats and stick a box there. I mean how often are you packing 8 people in there anyway?

 

[Igno 10+ year member]

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/jlaudio_pages.php?page_id=213

no way you can't find a place for these subs out in a month, and pioneer premeir has thin subs, I just stealthed a TC sounds 1000 in a sealed box in the rear panel of my GTO, just so the bass would be in the cabin

 

[Hintzyboy 5,000+ posts]

How much of your center console are you using? The JL stealthbox still retains some storage and lets you keep your cupholders.

 

[FiveseveN 10+ year member]

Just so you dont get the wrong idea, the spare tire is inside the vehicle not mounted underneath. So the subs that would be in the spare tire location would be in the vehichle. There is just no way that it is so far back there it would need advanced delay. The center console is all being used, I have 3 things mounted in there that cannot be relocated.

Right now Im just going to work from front to back over a 2 month period. Gives me time to figure out what to do with the sub. So I am going to start with the car PC and front components and dynamat that area, then I will move towards the back.

Just got to figure out what components im going to order, and what type 2way or 3way.

FiveseveN

 

[Gary S 10+ year member]

Let me try to put it in other words.... Excellent sound in a vehicle is full of compromises. Usually, we settle for better sound for the front seat passengers, where people are the majority of time. This dictates mids and highs in the front only... mids and highs in the back will give you no front sound stage... a live performance usually is in front of you and has you looking forward.. this tends to give you the most natural sound.

Many people are brainwashed by the factory speaker placement syndrome... just because car manufacturers would lead you to believe that a speaker at every seat is better does not mean it is so.

Movie theaters do have speakers on the side walls and sometimes the back... but these are sent a dedicated surround signal which has no mono/center stage information. Consequently, while there is a 360 degree sound field, there is still a virtual front stage, where people in front of you on the screen sound like they are in front of you. Putting stereo speakers in he rear of a car, unless they are surround or delayed speakers, is not the way to the best sound.

And if you put a high end component set in the front and lesser coaxes in the rear, your sound will be a blend of the high end and coaxes speakers and sound medeocre... so you may as well put the same cheap coaxes all around if you are going to fill all the holes.

I would just put one good set of components up front... while it won't sound quite as good for the rear passengers, it will still sound good, and the front seat will sound even better.

Best set up would be speakers in the kicks. Second best would be a three-way in the doors, but only if all speakers can be kept as low in the doors as a two-way system.

In the case of a two-way system in the doors, as I said, everything else being equal, a 6X8 has the potential for better midbass, efficiency, and depending on the axis in the doors, could have better or worse off-axis dispersion than 6.5" round.

If you put some very good components up front, add the sub in the rear, with a generous amount of power and a sub am/channel with a high order crossover (18 - 24 db per octave rather than the standard 12), And an Excellent installation, I think you would be amazed. And if you only have room for a single ten or twelve inch sub, don't be afraid to put twice the amount of power or more on the sub as on the front components.... it's easy to turn down the gains if you have too much, but if you don't have enough output to keep up with the front stage... I have seen people that refuse to install an adequate subwoofer system disappointed too many times.