My new PHD 5.1 AF 5.25" two way drivers!

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

not worth it. Much better stuff out there.

Lol, I agree. This was a couple years ago before I started looking at the decent raw drivers out there.

 

[JohnKuthe]

Lol, I agree. This was a couple years ago before I started looking at the decent raw drivers out there.

Oh well, I bought what I bought, and at least Don the rep seems to think highly of them. Of course he has a direct business interest in them too! And I mean, how bad can the ****? Probably not too much.

Remember: as soon as you get what YOU think are the best in the world, several CarAudio.com denziens will berate youy for your choices!

So screw 'em! Better than NO car audio!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe...

 

[jRi0T68]

Rather than focusing on "oh, no, they're going to say my idea isn't ideal" why not take advice from people who have actual experience? At this point, though, you might as well put those tweeters in the sun visors, since you're abandoning all reasoning relating to speaker installation.

Your biggest drawback on your install is your attitude and unwillingness to take advice. You might end up happy with the way it sounds, because you have no idea how it COULD sound. Rest assured, though, if you'd taken advice from day 1, you'd have ended up with a better system that cost you less.

 

[JohnKuthe]

Rather than focusing on "oh, no, they're going to say my idea isn't ideal" why not take advice from people who have actual experience? At this point, though, you might as well put those tweeters in the sun visors, since you're abandoning all reasoning relating to speaker installation.
Your biggest drawback on your install is your attitude and unwillingness to take advice. You might end up happy with the way it sounds, because you have no idea how it COULD sound. Rest assured, though, if you'd taken advice from day 1, you'd have ended up with a better system that cost you less.

I am taking way more of the advice given here than I ever reflect back and talk about. And cost is NOT my #1 priority right now, thankfully! I'm wasting a bunch of $$ playing with this stuff. And yes I have an idea of how the perfect sound system sounds, and I know I'm not gonna get that but I have high hopes of what I WILL get!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe...

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

You can't see how "chromey" my PHD speakers are from the pic I posted! How do you KNOW? Rhetorical, because you don't know.
And it does not matter here where I'm gonna mount the tweeters because whatever I say will be WRONG accoring to several CarAudio.com denzinens! ROFL!!!

Aren't you touchy and hypocritical today? You passed judgement on speakers only by looking at the pictures on eBay and called them fake. Why can't I call your authentic speakers too "chromy" as well. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I have eyes; you posted a picture. Are you that much of a thread despot that I can't have an opinion based on visual evidence?!?

I was genuinely curious where you were going to put the tweeters since you seemed dead set on using stock locations. I'm not sure if your vehicle has dedicated tweeter locations is why I asked, and if not I was going to offer suggestions for you to pursue. *shrug* I'll leave you to your faux intellectual elitism.

 

[jRi0T68]

I am taking way more of the advice given here than I ever reflect back and talk about. And cost is NOT my #1 priority right now, thankfully! I'm wasting a bunch of $$ playing with this stuff. And yes I have an idea of how the perfect sound system sounds, and I know I'm not gonna get that but I have high hopes of what I WILL get!
John Kuthe...

John Kuthe...

Oh, suddenly you know about car audio and how it could/should sound? Which SQ comp vehicles have you gotten demos in? How many systems have you personally installed previously?

It's okay to know nothing, just as long as you know that you know nothing about car audio, and take advice from those who do. 90% of the people that are active here have far more expertise than I do, and I know it. So, I read more than I post, and absorb wisdom from every thread that I can. Try it. Shut your mouth and use your ears, metaphorically. It's truly enlightening.

 

[JohnKuthe]

Aren't you touchy and hypocritical today? You passed judgement on speakers only by looking at the pictures on eBay and called them fake. Why can't I call your authentic speakers too "chromy" as well. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I have eyes; you posted a picture. Are you that much of a thread despot that I can't have an opinion based on visual evidence?!?

Only thing you can see from the pic I posted are the AF (Aluminum Fiber) speaker cones. Remember these are the AF models. You should look at the big ole magnets on them from the back! I have, but did not post any pics of that.

I was genuinely curious where you were going to put the tweeters since you seemed dead set on using stock locations. I'm not sure if your vehicle has dedicated tweeter locations is why I asked, and if not I was going to offer suggestions for you to pursue. *shrug* I'll leave you to your faux intellectual elitism.

OK, I apologize. Tweeter placement is up for decision. I was looking at these lamp swivel mount things and putting the tweeters on little tweeter pods sticking out of the A-frame risers (I think is what they are called) either side of the windshield, but I'll probably just initially have them stuck to the big plastic cover over the whole top front of the dash, kinda angled at my head while I'm in the driver's seat. And may do the A-frame mounts when I decide to go full active EQ with the DSP.

John Kuthe...

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

Oh well, I bought what I bought, and at least Don the rep seems to think highly of them. Of course he has a direct business interest in them too! And I mean, how bad can the ****? Probably not too much.
Remember: as soon as you get what YOU think are the best in the world, several CarAudio.com denziens will berate youy for your choices!

So screw 'em! Better than NO car audio!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe...

This is where your closed mindedness really shines through. "Better" is entirely dependent on your target application. Out of curiousity did you look at on/off axis plots of the tweeter? Did you discuss your mounting location with Don? BTW what is the QES of those mids?

Caraudio.com is actually pretty laid back. The only time people will pass judgement on your equipment decisions is if you have crappy reasons for deciding on the equipment or they feel you could save a buck or two.

You would rather spend 100's of dollars more seeking to compensate for a non optimal mounting location rather than spend that money and look at buying/making kick panels that could make a $100 pair of components sound good. Hell, if anything people are trying to steer you away from needlessly wasting time and money, but according to you our whole motivation is to flex our sophomoric "EGO" and epeens.

 

[JohnKuthe]

This is where your closed mindedness really shines through. "Better" is entirely dependent on your target application. Out of curiousity did you look at on/off axis plots of the tweeter? Did you discuss your mounting location with Don? BTW what is the QES of those mids?
Caraudio.com is actually pretty laid back. The only time people will pass judgement on your equipment decisions is if you have crappy reasons for deciding on the equipment or they feel you could save a buck or two.

You would rather spend 100's of dollars more seeking to compensate for a non optimal mounting location rather than spend that money and look at buying/making kick panels that could make a $100 pair of components sound good. Hell, if anything people are trying to steer you away from needlessly wasting time and money, but according to you our whole motivation is to flex our sophomoric "EGO" and epeens.

You just posted THREE short paragraphs without offering ANY substantive advice. Just as lot of ego babbling. I've built cheapo systems that sounded pretty good for what they were. Would they win competitions? No, but that's not what they were for either.

And this system I'm building at least has more power than any I've ever built or had built for me. I think the Alpine system I has Hi Fi Fo Fum build for me in Baby (1994 Caravan) was 50W per channel x4 and no subwoofer. Now I'm building a system with 75W to 100W x6 and a 500W 12" subwoofer. This should rock!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe...

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

He's saying something simple but you don't understand it. How do you know those will work in your application? Your install locations?

And as for how they look.. do you think we are to stupid to use google? Do you think you are the first to have those?

I'm happy for you, but if you studied a bit more you could have gotten what you know will work for your install instead of just hoping on the first new thing you seen.

 

[The_Quiet_One 10+ year member]

You just posted THREE short paragraphs without offering ANY substantive advice. Just as lot of ego babbling. I've built cheapo systems that sounded pretty good for what they were. Would they win competitions? No, but that's not what they were for either.
John Kuthe...

There was advice there, but you yet again you choose to ignore it...or maybe are simply too ignorant to see?

Lets summarize:

Driver specs can be important and the right fit depends on installation. (QES,freq response, etc)

Cheap drivers can sound great in a more optimal mounting environment (ie kick panels)

Expensive speakers won't just magically sound better than any other speaker given a similar chance (they may if you get lucky, but highly unlikely; even then the chances would be equally likely with cheaper drivers)

You're trying to put pearls on a pig....but whatever it's your prerogative.

 

[JohnKuthe]

There was advice there, but you yet again you choose to ignore it...or maybe are simply too ignorant to see? Lets summarize:

Driver specs can be important and the right fit depends on installation. (QES,freq response, etc)

Cheap drivers can sound great in a more optimal mounting environment (ie kick panels)

Expensive speakers won't just magically sound better than any other speaker given a similar chance (they may if you get lucky, but highly unlikely; even then the chances would be equally likely with cheaper drivers)

You're trying to put pearls on a pig....but whatever it's your prerogative.

I had installer guy stick 20 sq-ft of Damplifier Pro in my pig and he's installing Luxury liner Pro over much of that, so my pig is sounding a LOT nicer/quieter! Consequently the music I have in Baby II (my pig!) now is sounding a lot better too.

John Kuthe...

 

[LosIsATool 5,000+ posts]

There was advice there, but you yet again you choose to ignore it...or maybe are simply too ignorant to see? Lets summarize:

Driver specs can be important and the right fit depends on installation. (QES,freq response, etc)

Cheap drivers can sound great in a more optimal mounting environment (ie kick panels)

Expensive speakers won't just magically sound better than any other speaker given a similar chance (they may if you get lucky, but highly unlikely; even then the chances would be equally likely with cheaper drivers)

You're trying to put pearls on a pig....but whatever it's your prerogative.

What he thinks is our ego is actually just stuff he don't understand.

With his education I would except it wouldnt be possible to talk over his head when we are still covering the basics.

 

[JohnKuthe]

What he thinks is our ego is actually just stuff he don't understand. With his education I would except it wouldnt be possible to talk over his head when we are still covering the basics.

You DO realise all the stuff you talk about here as being "absolutely necessary" for good sound is the 99.998% and above limits? And the vast majority of all sound reproduction out there is below that? But a good percentage of that is pretty good and makes people very happy?

John Kuthe...

 

[jRi0T68]

You DO realise all the stuff you talk about here as being "absolutely necessary" for good sound is the 99.998% and above limits? And the vast majority of all sound reproduction out there is below that? But a good percentage of that is pretty good and makes people very happy?
John Kuthe...

Do you have any tested, reproducible evidence to support this claim? Have you run RTAs in multiple vehicles, each with multiple configurations, and surveyed the opinions of people who have heard these setups to form actual data on what is acceptable and/or pleasant to the average person? Or, are you just spewing b.s.that you can't backup, AGAIN?