My friends new L3

its not what all the cool kids are doing... look at one of the best bass racers with the 10" l5s or l7s can't remember.. doing 165s or some ish
I know kicker makes a decent product. I was sayin that in the sense that some people on this forum probably like kicker subs, but in order to keep from being flamed, they come on here become sundown and Fi fanboys, when, chances are, they've never even heard either sub in person.

People have even been gettin to the point of saying sundown is underrated and kicker is overrated. Kicker has always been underrated. Build qualityil isn't as good but nonetheless underrated, still. Amps do more than rated. Subs take more than rated. Its all in how your setup is done.

 
Rated power versus actual power (underrated vs overrated) is in no way a sign of quality in a product. If an amplifier that is 'overrated' in its advertising campaign, would tomorrow be advertised with less power (underrated) change its quality in any way? No. That's a marketing gimmick to fool people into believing quality begins in the marketing stage of product development, dont be fooled by this game.

 
This is what an L3 does

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Rated power versus actual power (underrated vs overrated) is in no way a sign of quality in a product. If an amplifier that is 'overrated' in its advertising campaign, would tomorrow be advertised with less power (underrated) change its quality in any way? No. That's a marketing gimmick to fool people into believing quality begins in the marketing stage of product development, dont be fooled by this game.
Never thought about it like that. Interesting....

My point basically, though, was that kicker makes a nice product and those who like it shouldn't feel they have to kiss up to the vets who don't.

 
i, myself, have wondered how many of the guys on here have actually heard any of the equipment that they post about.

and in NOW WAY am i defending kicker... their FAR overpirced MSRP for what you get... but they still make some ok subs... people who say that L7's are complete crap, are well, ignorant... their ok, for what they are... i just personally dont like the majority of kicker products, for what they are...

and OP... just wow...

 
its not what all the cool kids are doing... look at one of the best bass racers with the 10" l5s or l7s can't remember.. doing 165s or some ish
while neil is a fucking douchebag.. he's on another level with that old install, too bad he got rid of it. More importantly, who gives two shits either way?

 
i, myself, have wondered how many of the guys on here have actually heard any of the equipment that they post about.
and in NOW WAY am i defending kicker... their FAR overpirced MSRP for what you get... but they still make some ok subs... people who say that L7's are complete crap, are well, ignorant... their ok, for what they are... i just personally dont like the majority of kicker products, for what they are...

and OP... just wow...
I wouldn't say L7's are 'crap', but I would say they are designed for a goal that does not align with my needs. The square cone design lends itself to the idea of quantity over quality.

Consider a few things. One, you dont get cone area for free. Kicker advertises that you get the cone area comparable to a 15" round sub, using a 12" square cone. Sounds fantastic, right? The problem is, that 12" sub also requires the enclosure size comparable to a 15" round sub. To be frank, I dont care what the diameter of my sub is nearly so much as how much room it (it's enclosure) takes up in my vehicle. Once you realize this, you begin to see the less-than-honest marketing that goes into these square drivers.

Second thing to consider, there is a reason speakers have traditionally used round cone, their strength to weight ratio is inherently better. A round cone distributes the stress on the cone evenly throughout its surface, a square cone does not. To simplify the physics involved, look at it this way: the corners of a square sub are further from the center of the cone, where the force/stress from the t-joint originates, than are the edges of the cones along the 'flats'. That difference in distance means the corners see more stress than does the area of the cone along the flats. This means as the cone moves, its shape inherently creates a situation in which the cone is trying to warp. Round cones do not have this problem. Its easy to see this is true, just look at the Kicker square cone design, it has stiffening ribs running out to each corner from the center. Problem solved, right? Not exactly, these stiffening ribs mean additional cone material that does not add to the surface area, it merely works at keeping the cone rigid. That added material means more weight. While moving mass is less important on subs than it is with tweeters, its still somewhat of a factor, and again goes back to the idea of quantity over quality.

The only advantage I see to square cones is more efficient use of your baffle board profile. In other words, you can run an array of square cones, butted up against each other, with virtually no dead space. With round cones, even mounted right against each other, there will always be some of the baffle board that does not have cone covering it. This really is only important in installs where an array of subs is being used, or if space is so tight that you do have the enclosure volume to accommodate a 15" sub, but baffle board space of 12" or less. This IS an advantage over round subs, but the installs that require this advantage are few and far between.

Kicker is not the first company to utilize a square cone, no matter what they wish you to believe. They are simply the first company to successfully market them.

 
I wouldn't say L7's are 'crap', but I would say they are designed for a goal that does not align with my needs. The square cone design lends itself to the idea of quantity over quality.
Consider a few things. One, you dont get cone area for free. Kicker advertises that you get the cone area comparable to a 15" round sub, using a 12" square cone. Sounds fantastic, right? The problem is, that 12" sub also requires the enclosure size comparable to a 15" round sub. To be frank, I dont care what the diameter of my sub is nearly so much as how much room it (it's enclosure) takes up in my vehicle. Once you realize this, you begin to see the less-than-honest marketing that goes into these square drivers.

Second thing to consider, there is a reason speakers have traditionally used round cone, their strength to weight ratio is inherently better. A round cone distributes the stress on the cone evenly throughout its surface, a square cone does not. To simplify the physics involved, look at it this way: the corners of a square sub are further from the center of the cone, where the force/stress from the t-joint originates, than are the edges of the cones along the 'flats'. That difference in distance means the corners see more stress than does the area of the cone along the flats. This means as the cone moves, its shape inherently creates a situation in which the cone is trying to warp. Round cones do not have this problem. Its easy to see this is true, just look at the Kicker square cone design, it has stiffening ribs running out to each corner from the center. Problem solved, right? Not exactly, these stiffening ribs mean additional cone material that does not add to the surface area, it merely works at keeping the cone rigid. That added material means more weight. While moving mass is less important on subs than it is with tweeters, its still somewhat of a factor, and again goes back to the idea of quantity over quality.

The only advantage I see to square cones is more efficient use of your baffle board profile. In other words, you can run an array of square cones, butted up against each other, with virtually no dead space. With round cones, even mounted right against each other, there will always be some of the baffle board that does not have cone covering it. This really is only important in installs where an array of subs is being used, or if space is so tight that you do have the enclosure volume to accommodate a 15" sub, but baffle board space of 12" or less. This IS an advantage over round subs, but the installs that require this advantage are few and far between.

Kicker is not the first company to utilize a square cone, no matter what they wish you to believe. They are simply the first company to successfully market them.
and that, right there, is what we need more of in this forum... excellent reply

 
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