moral issues, who beleives in heaven hell god jesus,

[dr.beats 10+ year member]

i spent my first 5 years of school in a private school. not by choice, but if i had the chance , i wouldn't do it any different. i am a christian too, as someone else stated, not doing what i should be, but trying to do what's right. fortunately, i was in a good school with legit people that showed me good, healthy morals. look at it this way, if you were raising a kid and you had a choice of environments (let's say religion isn't a factor) , are you going to put your kid in a school that has kids smoking pot by 4th grade or a more structured environment? imo i learned these certain ways in my younger years, and it's helped me be a better person today. i'm not trying to push private schooling or anything. i haven't been to church in i don't know how long. i don't send money to evangelists. i saw what jim and tammy baker did with their show, and that was enough for me. if god needs me to help someone, i will be sure to do my part, but i wont hand money out to anyone. i don't push my religion on anyone, door to door, or anything like that. i think that's wrong. why does everyone blame god for things that go wrong in the world? sure, earthquakes and things like that happen, hurricanes etc... but that's nature. same as a volcano. people may die when one erupts, but that's a chance you take when you live somewhere by one. florida, well, i feel for everyone that was effected by the hurricane, but that's nature, not god. maybe some kind of man-inflicted conditions could have played a part? hole in the ozone causing warming temperatures effecting something else, etc.... who knows?

as far as reilgion goes, this jihad b.s. of beheading people and stuff, is that god's work? i don't think so. this world is all about oil and money. people get greedy and try to control these things. there are many different religions out there. if you want one, you'll find one that works for you. i've got mine, and it works for me. i have a pretty good life. things don't always go the way i want, but that's life. whatever religion you choose or don't choose, just do what you feel is right inside. in the end, we will all know who god really is.

 

[IgnoreMe 5,000+ posts]

If "all of a sudden" constitutes billions and billions of years //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Again, you need to go back and try to learn about the big bang theory if that is how you look at it, or if you think that is what the big bang theory states.

And since we are talking about "from the beginning"; How did God come to be? Did he just magically appear out of no where? So it makes total logically sense that God has just always been, but you are going to argue the same point about the big bang theory? If God has always been (Christian's view), then why can't microscopic partials always been existant also? It's a two way road...................

first paragraph: i understand the big bang theory...but in the beggining there had to be nothing. as in, what was there before everything?

second paragraph: i think you misunderstood what i said. what i said was that i believe in God, but i can see why other people dont. because it does seem almost impossible. but thats what it is...faith. meaning you dont need proof. maybe i wrote it out wrong but i am AGREEING with your last 5 words.

im not tryin to start a fight, im just sayin that i can definatly see both sides of the story, even as a religious person. please dont misinterpret my posts as being negative towards non religious people, cause that not what im tryin to do.

 

[Spkrman]

If "all of a sudden" constitutes billions and billions of years //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif Again, you need to go back and try to learn about the big bang theory if that is how you look at it, or if you think that is what the big bang theory states.

And since we are talking about "from the beginning"; How did God come to be?

makes sense to me

"GOD made the world in 7 days"

hmmm if he's so incredible, why take a week?

the Q is WHY ARE WE HERE.... the answer is.. DON'T WASTE YOUR LIFE TRYING TO FIND OUT.... and dont ever think you know... the wise man only knows he knows nothing.

but i spose if you cant accept that... go buy your way to heavon in church...

 

[Spkrman]

if god needs me to help someone, i will be sure to do my part, but i wont hand money out to anyone.
why does everyone blame god for things that go wrong in the world? sure, earthquakes and things like that happen, hurricanes etc... but that's nature.

maybe some kind of man-inflicted conditions could have played a part? hole in the ozone causing warming temperatures effecting something else, etc.... who knows?

as far as reilgion goes, this jihad b.s. of beheading people and stuff, is that god's work? i don't think so. this world is all about oil and money. people get greedy and try to control these things.

in the end, we will all know who god really is.

I don't think you really understand the concept of GOD.... GOD is all powerful, knows everything... and EVERYTHING he makes is good! That means if 10,000 people are killed by an atom bomb, GOD did it, and it was good! If a 10 year old girl OD's on crack, GOD did it!

GOD made the world the way it is "for a reason" and ITS RIGHT DAMIT! GOD knows its right, so i agree!

GOD is everywhere! He's even sittin on my lap as i type this... he's also standing on my head, and sitting on my desk.. dude... he's everywhere!

Or wait... thats only ONE interpretation of GOD. Which is right? hmmm

maybe GOD just set everything in motion...

or maybe he only helps the people who are RIGHT?

maybe he's a mean SOB?

maybe he died a long time ago?

maybe nobody's right?

nobody knows... but hey - whatever makes you happy...

 

[dr.beats 10+ year member]

whatever , i didn't write that to argue with anyone. but in my opinion, "god", in your scenario, wouldn't have been there forcing the 10 year old girl smoke that crack. "god" doesn't give the o.k. for the atom bomb either. it's $ and power that corrupt people, which has made the world the way it is today. isn't that fair to say?

.......and umm.....yeah...whatever makes you happy

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

I'd just rather focus on my time here living and live it up to all I can. When I die, you can be I'd love there to be a heaven I can go to, I dont know of who wouldnt want to believe that, and thats exactly the reason I dont believe it.

You dont follow you parents cothing styles, music, and other tastes, why follow their religious beliefs? If you were born to a muslim family, do you think you would be muslim? Would you be here arguing that religion instead? How can you be so sure your religion is the *correct* one? Its just when I think about it, trying to fit it together is ridiculous. Religion is, to me, obviously a cultural thing, and thats all. I have been lucky enough to have NOT been biased by my parents, they chose not to force their beliefs on me and let me decide what I believe myself.

Just some stuff to think about, not directed towards anybody in particular.

"You only live once, but if you live it right, once is enough"

 

[Spkrman]

whatever , i didn't write that to argue with anyone. but in my opinion, "god", in your scenario, wouldn't have been there forcing the 10 year old girl smoke that crack. "god" doesn't give the o.k. for the atom bomb either. it's $ and power that corrupt people, which has made the world the way it is today. isn't that fair to say?.......and umm.....yeah...whatever makes you happy

well what is your definition of GOD?

is he just there to give back candy taken away from babies? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[Spkrman]

I'd just rather focus on my time here living and live it up to all I can. When I die, you can be I'd love there to be a heaven I can go to, I dont know of who wouldnt want to believe that, and thats exactly the reason I dont believe it.You dont follow you parents cothing styles, music, and other tastes, why follow their religious beliefs? If you were born to a muslim family, do you think you would be muslim? Would you be here arguing that religion instead? How can you be so sure your religion is the *correct* one? Its just when I think about it, trying to fit it together is ridiculous. Religion is, to me, obviously a cultural thing, and thats all. I have been lucky enough to have NOT been biased by my parents, they chose not to force their beliefs on me and let me decide what I believe myself.

Just some stuff to think about, not directed towards anybody in particular.

"You only live once, but if you live it right, once is enough"

yea, thats one big thing about religion. If there is only one TRUE religion, why doesnt everyone follow it? And how have people who know NOTHING of western culture been living without GOD for years on years on years? Funny how alot of those tribes way out away from everything ALSO have some off the wall beliefs... hmmm...

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

Its not say I dont have "spiritual" beliefs or however you want to put it. I believe there is ALOT that science has still been unable to explain. I 100% believe in "ghosts", I know I have seen several. And I also do believe they will someday be able to be explained scientifically, we just dont have the understanding at this point. But if I were to say that, then I guess its not totally fair to disregard religions of the world as I have been, the problem with that for me is I personally have never had a "religious" experience to make me believe it and there is SOOO much scientific evidence against them. But, as I said earlier in this thread, its not fair on either side to argue science with religion... at this point atleast. It would be great if one day we were able to mix the two together.

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

edit: nvm haha I though that post was on the last page....

 

[dr.beats 10+ year member]

my belief of god is one who offers guidance , helps those who help themselves. those who try to do the right things. i have had some experiences that should'nt have happened according to odds. me, for example. i had a pretty bad wreck on a motorcycle 15 years ago. a guy hit me and my best friend at an intersection, but it was out in bfe. there was no one around to see, or hear it, he could have easily left us for dead in the rivine we landed in and went away. i saw pictures of his truck, he really didn't have any damage because he clipped my back rim just enough to throw us into a roll. instead, he held our heads out the water and fished blood out of throats so we could breathe, until someone finally came down that road and called for a helicopter. i have'nt seen any ghosts, but i have seen a door close by itself, and white lights in the corner of the room, but when you look over aren't there. i can't explain those, but since i have grown in my religion these things don't happen anymore. my mom used to be really big into witchcraft when she was younger, and has told me alot of stories of some scary $hit. whatever you want to believe the explantion for these is your choice, i believe someone is looking out for me. so, i try to do the right thing when i can, and it seems i get a little help from my "god" when i do. things go better for me. i don't believe any religion is the right one. who's to say? i just think thousands of years of people doing others wrong and not following some sort of similar guidelines have led us to where we are today. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif

 

[supa_c 5,000+ posts]

Ive seen doors close by themselves. nothing special

 

[Spkrman]

GOD is only good if you are good? well what is that?

this leaves things HIGHLY open to interpretation... what exactly is "good"... GOD knows though, right? So that means holy wars are good for the victor, but the ones who lost lost because they weren't right, or were less right?

sry bud, but thats where all the BS starts... when you say GOD is only there when your GOOD, then everyone you think is BAD must not be worthy of GOD's love.... only if they do good things are they favored by GOD... but again, what is good, and how would you ever know whats good or bad?

Is killing a serial killer good? Is killing a deer and eating it good? Is smokin weed good?

Different interpretations...

Now, what does GOD think? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

hmm

 

[dr.beats 10+ year member]

do serial killers stay out in the public eye when they kill, or do they hide? usually run don't they? bcuz they know they it was wrong, or they are crazy. animals are put on earth for us to eat. smokin' weed? i don't know, it's natural. yeah, it is all diff. interpretations. i don't know man, i'm not an expert or tryin to be. imo opinion, there are too many religions out there to classify one as right. too many different things you can and can't do. again, i just do what i feel inside is the right thing. i don't know why we're still talking about it anyways? nothing either one us says is going to change eithers mind, right? i think you said first, "whatever makes you happy".

the door i talked about earlier slid in and out of the wall(internal). //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

well what is your definition of GOD?

Had an interesting intellectual conversation with a close buddy and his uncle (a certified genius) tonight and this EXACT question came up. Though it would be impossible for me to go through everything we talked about (we talked for a good two and a half hours, and conversation jumped platforms many times), he had an interesting take on "God". In his view, God once was an independent and "conscious" being before the universe was created. He used himself to create the universe and everything in it. So, in his view, we all have "God" in us, and "God" still exists in the sense that he is a part of everything, but that there is no "conscious" God that watches us or "controls" our actions or places judgments against us.