midbass imaging?

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

still wouldnt explain why you get better midbass when you move your head....

 

[Chaotic_Thought 10+ year member]

I will try and see how it picks up on a mic tomorrow and maybe it will make more sense.

 

[keep_hope_alive Premium Member]

They are in phase if midbass increases when You are equidistant from both, I.e. in the middle.

I agree that deadening willh help, and sealing the door openings and adding proper seals is crucial for midbass. In your seat you are hearing the front and back wave at the same time (due to lack of seals) so you don't hear midbass. To obtain good midbass Sealing your doors is #1 and #2. That is seal the door openings and seal around the speaker. Deadener is #3.

Having T/A will help as well. You are a different distance from each. That difference results in cancellation.

 

[Chaotic_Thought 10+ year member]

They are in phase if midbass increases when You are equidistant from both, I.e. in the middle.
I agree that deadening willh help, and sealing the door openings and adding proper seals is crucial for midbass. In your seat you are hearing the front and back wave at the same time (due to lack of seals) so you don't hear midbass. To obtain good midbass Sealing your doors is #1 and #2. That is seal the door openings and seal around the speaker. Deadener is #3.

Having T/A will help as well. You are a different distance from each. That difference results in cancellation.

Would door pods negate the need for deadening since a pod would be acting as the enclosure?

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

Would door pods negate the need for deadening since a pod would be acting as the enclosure?

yes. Like he said, you need to seal the holes in your doors with something rigid ( i use deadener on top of thin sheet aluminum). The deadener adds mass to the door panels to prevent vibrations and rattles. That probably wont be an issue with kick pods so you probably wont need deadener on the doors.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

They are in phase if midbass increases when You are equidistant from both, I.e. in the middle.
I agree that deadening willh help, and sealing the door openings and adding proper seals is crucial for midbass. In your seat you are hearing the front and back wave at the same time (due to lack of seals) so you don't hear midbass. To obtain good midbass Sealing your doors is #1 and #2. That is seal the door openings and seal around the speaker. Deadener is #3.

Having T/A will help as well. You are a different distance from each. That difference results in cancellation.

listen to this guy OP, great dude, I love the way my system sounds now and alot of the ideas I got and the installing tips I received were from K_H_A

 

[mylows10 5,000+ posts]

if they are enclosed then i would say yes,but they would have to have some area as an enclosure of some sort

 

[Chaotic_Thought 10+ year member]

Typically what is the air space you would need for a single 6.5?

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

Would door pods negate the need for deadening since a pod would be acting as the enclosure?

the thing to worry about here would be enclosure volume. Car audio midbass drivers are designed to perform IB, so a simple pod wont perform as well as a sealed door. You can maybe make pods work, but you'll need a good bit of power to get the same amount of output you would in your door IB and that still may not yield the same results.

 

[keep_hope_alive Premium Member]

Yea, door pods are not always sealed enclosures, just rings like pictured above. As long as the speaker uses the door for airspace, the doors should be sealed. It's akin to holding a woofer in your hand and playing it, you don't hear bass because the front and rear waves cancel. The enclosure isolates the front and rear wave. Allowing you to hear just one. The result is midbass. True for home, pro, and car audio.

Over the past two decades I have heard a lot of complaints that the aftermarket speakers have less bass than factory. The cause is always seals. The factory speaker will perfectly seal against the door panel, essentially using the door panel as the front baffle. Airtight is the key. I put foam on the front and rer of every door speaker to recreate those seals.

 

[Chaotic_Thought 10+ year member]

it could, but the thing to worry about here would be enclosure volume. Car audio midbass drivers are designed to perform IB, so a pod, if not large enough, wont perform as well as a sealed door. You can make smaller pods work, but you'll need a good bit of power to get the same amount of output you would in your door IB and that still may not yield the same results.

My issue with deadening the doors is i do not plan on having the truck too terribly long, maybe 2 years at the most before i get something new. With the center console i can either sell it with the truck for a added fee or i can sell it to someone on craigslist to recover atleast a tiny portion of the cost. Same for door pods. Deadening however, would be staying with the truck and i wouldn't see any of that money back. Cost efficiency my friends.

I may just have to bite the bullet on this one and spend the cash on some deadening.

 

[Why So Cereal? 5,000+ posts]

My issue with deadening the doors is i do not plan on having the truck too terribly long, maybe 2 years at the most before i get something new. With the center console i can either sell it with the truck for a added fee or i can sell it to someone on craigslist to recover atleast a tiny portion of the cost. Same for door pods. Deadening however, would be staying with the truck and i wouldn't see any of that money back. Cost efficiency my friends.
I may just have to bite the bullet on this one and spend the cash on some deadening.

shouldnt be terribly expensive...you could just get some sheet metal or some wood and cover those holes. Audio Technix makes some nice budget deadener you could use.

 

[keep_hope_alive Premium Member]

Dude, two years? Long enough to do it right. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Start with foam seals around the speaker. $6 investment.

 

[TaylorFade 10+ year member]

I just made a tiny enclosure for mine. And I mean tiny. It's sealed though and has good output. Needs some power though. Also put some non-hardening modeling clay on the ring to decouple and seal.

 

[Chaotic_Thought 10+ year member]

Dude, two years? Long enough to do it right. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Start with foam seals around the speaker. $6 investment.

The real problem is budgeting it in, along with the 97 z71 restoration, remodel of a 90 year old house, 3 kids, wife, yadda yadda yadda.