Loudness War!!!!!!

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

This is very true, and a great example of this is Tool's newest album, 10,000 Days, absolutely compressed and terrible sound. Now on the other hand, Pink Floyd's CDs are absolutely amazing in their quality, The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, these are all benchmarks in how well CDs can sound, the problem is that studio engineers compress the hell out of the music to make it louder for radio and TV because the louder the music the more attention it will get. Anyway, I still prefer CDs to vinyl as you can play a CD 10 million times without a loss in quality whereas a vinyl becomes almost unlistenable after 100 uses.

 

[ThomasG 5,000+ posts]

that was very ****ing interesting

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Dynamic range compression FTMFL !!

 

[bose301s 5,000+ posts]

Dynamic range compression FTMFL !!

QFT

 

[NYR36 10+ year member]

That video is awesome

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

What?? No headroom?? The CD format itself has plenty of headroom, alot more than vinyl could ever dream of. It's the morons engineering these CDs that are doing it WRONG !!!

Hate Vinyl do we?

One thing to note is that all formats can have bad recordings as much as all can have great recordings. I know for a fact that you have a very nice stand alone CD player which you would NOT own if there were NO good CD recordings. I know you know this but some guys on here might not. The CD format has/had the potential to be head and shoulders above vinyl but sadly this format has not been taken advantage of fully except for a few studios that decided to do it right.
In short: A CD recorded the right way blows away any vinyl recording. IMHO of course.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Discrete stereo >>> Matrixed stereo

I disagree... Example, Little Feat "Dixie Chicken" on 'Waiting for Columbus'. Have it on LP and CD. Played them back to back. Vinyl > CD Example, Don Fagen Nightfly album, back to back on CD & Vinyl. Vinyl > CD. I can go on...

You do realize that it would super retarded on the part of the mix guy to use a full pan. Which means that there really is no major gain between Discrete or Matrixed stereo.

IMHO of course. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/viking2.gif.35c13a457368016b956ccf693af31291.gif

This is very true, and a great example of this is Tool's newest album, 10,000 Days, absolutely compressed and terrible sound. Now on the other hand, Pink Floyd's CDs are absolutely amazing in their quality, The Wall, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, these are all benchmarks in how well CDs can sound, the problem is that studio engineers compress the hell out of the music to make it louder for radio and TV because the louder the music the more attention it will get. Anyway, I still prefer CDs to vinyl as you can play a CD 10 million times without a loss in quality whereas a vinyl becomes almost unlistenable after 100 uses.

Ummm..... Why is Vinyl unlistenable after 100 uses? Honestly this is the most retarded thing I have ever heard.

To those people who for some reason hate on vinyl, if you don't own them don't ***** about them. I for one own them and I love them. Everyone I know who owns them loves them.

 

[adam71 5,000+ posts]

Hate Vinyl do we?

Absolutely not. I own more than 100 vinyls and a turntable.

I disagree... Example, Little Feat "Dixie Chicken" on 'Waiting for Columbus'. Have it on LP and CD. Played them back to back. Vinyl > CD Example, Don Fagen Nightfly album, back to back on CD & Vinyl. Vinyl > CD. I can go on...

I don't really think you're comparing your vinyl to a "CD recorded right" as I stated earlier. I stick by my word that a CD recorded the right way is better than a vinyl recording. Just for the simple fact that it's a superior format. No maintenance. No wear and tear after every playback. Best stereo seperation. And MUCH BETTER dynamic range and frequency response.

Next time compare your vinyl to a "reference quality" CD. Like maybe something from Sheffield labs or Telarc.

To those people who for some reason hate on vinyl, if you don't own them don't ***** about them. I for one own them and I love them. Everyone I know who owns them loves them.

I agree totally. It's all a matter of taste. I let my buddy borrow my DVD audio of the Alan Parsons Project's "Eye In The Sky". He listened and said it sounded better than CD but didn't sound like vinyl. My response was this. "Why is vinyl necessarily RIGHT?? " I agree vinyl sounds different. It has warmer sound than CD does. Some find this pleasing and some don't. I like the sound of vinyl too but that doesn't make it the "correct" sound. It's just different. That is why I have vinyl in my collection. So I have a variety of sound.

 

[joetama 5,000+ posts]

I am not saying that Vinyl is the end all be all of formats for ever, it has restrictions and limitations. Just as CD does, and SACD, and DVD-Audio. Every format will, until they create a perfect format. But, with the state of the recording industry and the R-Tards who run it I seriously doubt it will ever happen.

That said, adam71 I defiantly respect your opinion and you aren't a vinyl basher but some folks are. And, it is just irritating because most of them don't have a clue.