Just to clear things up a bit

[mugen08 10+ year member]

There is a huge difference between belief in science and religion.
In science, we develop models and theories based on experimental evidence. If we find that evidence is contradicting to what we previously believed, WE CHANGE IT! Religious is so opposite to this that there is honestly no comparison.

You could, in fact, say that everything is belief (since we rely on perception), but at least science is a far more probable belief. Hence, agnostic atheism.

Science does not give you the sense of fullness and peace that living outside of the realm of sin does.

To me that feeling makes it as real as anything science can prove or disprove.

You can call it placebo or what you will but after living in repentance you can never go back to living in sin without feeling that something is missing.

Trust me. I've been there many many times.

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

Sin is invented, so I'm not too worried about that. I follow the golden rule.

Trust me, science is MUCH more fulfilling than religion is. The only problem is that it takes a great deal of work to understand it in its entirety.

 

[Rmsanger 10+ year member]

My gawd > yours

Shiva teh destroyer

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

Sin is invented, so I'm not too worried about that. I follow the golden rule.
Trust me, science is MUCH more fulfilling than religion is. The only problem is that it takes a great deal of work to understand it in its entirety.

You know how I know you don't know?

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

I believe in sin. I believe it is the only way. More coke and hookers for me please.

 

[Vermithrax 10+ year member]

For the intelligent mind, belief is rooted in plausibility. If everything in life is not equally plausible, then an intelligent person will not find everything in life to be equally believable.
Of course anything can be believed, but not everything is equally believable. Science, simply put, is more plausible (and thus more believable) than religion.

Keep in mind also that the argument of god is especially different from religion.

Doesn't it depend on the definition of intelligence? Many people believe that they are intelligent, the notion to others is unbelievable. What is believable is a matter of choice, not fact. Facts can be just as easily denied (a choice to not believe).

Such does not reflect on a person's intelligence, rather the method in which they apply their intelligence.

That being said, I agree that science is more believable to you. Religion to others. Both equally to yet others. And neither to some. None of which is a reflection of intelligence nor lack of, rather a matter of choice.

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

My gawd > yours
Shiva teh destroyer

What the hell is growing off that little midget's chin?

 

[newusername 10+ year member]

You know how I know you don't know?

How is that?

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Sin is invented, so I'm not too worried about that. I follow the golden rule.
Trust me, science is MUCH more fulfilling than religion is. The only problem is that it takes a great deal of work to understand it in its entirety.

Religion answers or attempts to answer questions that science never can.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Religion answers or attempts to answer questions that science never can.

How do you know it NEVER can?
That's a questionable claim.

 

[duece212 5,000+ posts]

Religion answers or attempts to answer questions that science never can.

I try not to make shit up when I don't know the facts behind it

 

[mugen08 10+ year member]

I try not to make shit up when I don't know the facts behind it

Facts

1. Jesus was a real person.

2. His teachings didn't include killing in the name of God.

3. He had 12 disciples.

4. These men dedicated their lived to the beliefs of Christianity. To the point they gave up their normal lives completely to follow Jesus.

5. Lying was something they were very much against.

6. Several of these disciples documented in writing that Jesus was the son of God. That they witnessed him perform miracles.

You call BS when people say Christ performed miracles. But his disciples are the ones that documented them. Men who, by telling a lie, would go against the very thing they devoted their lives to.

Facts.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

I read post number one and removed myself from this thread:fyi:

but I might come back to see what was posted in response to my post

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

Facts
1. Jesus was a real person.

2. His teachings didn't include killing in the name of God.

3. He had 12 disciples.

4. These men dedicated their lived to the beliefs of Christianity. To the point they gave up their normal lives completely to follow Jesus.

5. Lying was something they were very much against.

6. Several of these disciples documented in writing that Jesus was the son of God. That they witnessed him perform miracles.

You call BS when people say Christ performed miracles. But his disciples are the ones that documented them. Men who, by telling a lie, would go against the very thing they devoted their lives to.

Facts.

Fact, accounts shows Jesus only lived 6 months after his revelation in baptism, and looked arabic, someone you would assume to be muslim and be afraid if you heard him say something that sounded a little like 'bomb' in an airport.

Fact, there is no evidence that Jesus arose from the dead, some of his disciples became convinced they had seen his spirit after he died and it went to heaven. Christians have since interpreted this as being 'resurrected from the dead' yet we believe that all souls rise from our bodies when we die and go to heaven or hell, not just Jesus.

How do you know it NEVER can?
That's a questionable claim.

Because it simply can't, by the same principle that you can never prove that God does not exist.

I'm talking about questions such as what is the meaning of life? Why are we here, etc? For those of us who don't feel "because a bunch of atoms exploded and somehnow we ended up here and its totally meaningless and I might as well kill myself right now because it really makes no difference" is a good answer.

Questions about right and wrong, questions about how we should behave and act as humans, etc...there is nothing scientific about killing that makes it wrong, nor stealing, nor assaulting, nor any of the other things we consider 'civilized'. There is no science behind it, it is purely based on opinion, or belief, aka religion. Religion is not just specific 'religions', it is religious thought. It is pretty much anything that is not scientific or artistic, with some overlap.

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

I try not to make shit up when I don't know the facts behind it

Bullshit. You did not know the ohm configuration, and yest you said dual 1 ohm.

You = very, very bad person.