I've noticed a few things.

I don't h8 on anyone... Kevin does seem like a douche imo, but that's just my opinion until he proves me otherwise... I just try to EDUCATE newbs posting about their "dream JL / Kicker / DD / Etc. - system opinion requests" That they CAN stretch their dollars further as most of them are also on a "dream budget of getting all this expensive car audio they rattle off about for CHEAP" I've ran DD subs & amps in the past and have built many many enclosures for DD subs for others - DD makes good quality products, no question about it... As for JL... If you are happy getting lit up at competitions by peeps who invested wayy less $$$ then get yourself a nice pretty JL "Just Lost" T shirt to go along with your overpriced system...
Depends on which comp you enter in. JL holds quite a few SQ titles. It's one of the cheapest real SQ brands out there. So is it still overpriced compared to Brax, Audison, Focal, DLS, ect?

 
why? im certain if jl set to make an spl driver, theyd be more than successful. they are not made nor marketed for that purpose. 

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thats like racing a corvette with your tahoe. its a stupid idea.
and I couldn't agree with you more... But going back to the context that my original statement was made in and twisted around which led to where we are now: NEWBS & the vast majority of the masses are not after or competing in SQ, so when ppl start asking for opinions about their "dream system" that they heard was the loudest in the world from so and so... = JL does NOT belong there, nor should it be recommended. YES I also agree that if JL wanted to make a killer sub geared towards SPL, I'm sure they could... I NEVER said their products were bad, I said they are OVERPRICED because they ARE, and NOT as LOUD because they're NOT when you are comparing those apples to oranges - ((Popular SPL style subs)) you wanna talk SQ - Fine - YES they are cheap when it comes to SQ, but that's not was I was talking about and that's not what most ppl are after...

 
and I couldn't agree with you more... But going back to the context that my original statement was made in and twisted around which led to where we are now: NEWBS & the vast majority of the masses are not after or competing in SQ, so when ppl start asking for opinions about their "dream system" that they heard was the loudest in the world from so and so... = JL does NOT belong there, nor should it be recommended. YES I also agree that if JL wanted to make a killer sub geared towards SPL, I'm sure they could... I NEVER said their products were bad, I said they are OVERPRICED because they ARE, and NOT as LOUD because they're NOT when you are comparing those apples to oranges - ((Popular SPL style subs)) you wanna talk SQ - Fine - YES they are cheap when it comes to SQ, but that's not was I was talking about and that's not what most ppl are after...
Somebody has never heard a properly setup 13W7 on ONLY 1000 watts.

 

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and I couldn't agree with you more... But going back to the context that my original statement was made in and twisted around which led to where we are now: NEWBS & the vast majority of the masses are not after or competing in SQ, so when ppl start asking for opinions about their "dream system" that they heard was the loudest in the world from so and so... = JL does NOT belong there, nor should it be recommended. YES I also agree that if JL wanted to make a killer sub geared towards SPL, I'm sure they could... I NEVER said their products were bad, I said they are OVERPRICED because they ARE, and NOT as LOUD because they're NOT when you are comparing those apples to oranges - ((Popular SPL style subs)) you wanna talk SQ - Fine - YES they are cheap when it comes to SQ, but that's not was I was talking about and that's not what most ppl are after...
Somebody has never heard a properly setup 13W7 on ONLY 1000 watts.

 
I just do what my father taught me and ignore the idiots. There's a lot of them, everywhere. Honestly the basics of car audio, enough information to get decent equipment and know how to install it all and adjust settings appropriately are easy enough to understand.

People are too lazy to take the time to research the information they need.

 
Everybody hates on people they are jealous of. Steve Meade, Kevin, Ant. Everybody says JL and DD is overpriced but whenever they pop up in the classifieds for still a high price everybody wants them.

Everything old is "sound quality goodness"

Fat hicks need a new Caddy to have girls with more then 3 teeth talk to them.

I'm done with rant.
Agree 110% with you

 
Somebody has never heard a properly setup 13W7 on ONLY 1000 watts. 

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Somebody has never heard a properly setup 13W7 on ONLY 1000 watts.
lmao - You've just got an answer for everything don't you? BTW I've installed & heard PLENTY of properly set up JL subs in my day bud... YES they all sounded GR8, but there are PLENTY of subs out there for CHEAPER that will get just as loud, and some wayy louder... Your average daily listener doesn't even have the proper setup to go after strictly "SQ" anyways, so my position has NOT changed on this... I will NEVER recommend their subs to an average daily enthusiast due to the fact I can get them into something that will give them what they are looking for with a wayy smaller price tag... I'm NOT bashing JL, but peeps who THINK JL is the BE-ALL END-ALL sub of ALL subs are WRONG!!! Would I ever run JL - YES, I would again and I have in the past, but NOT in a vehicle I expect to be the loudest around just because I spent more.....

 
lmao - You've just got an answer for everything don't you? BTW I've installed & heard PLENTY of properly set up JL subs in my day bud... YES they all sounded GR8, but there are PLENTY of subs out there for CHEAPER that will get just as loud, and some wayy louder... Your average daily listener doesn't even have the proper setup to go after strictly "SQ" anyways, so my position has NOT changed on this... I will NEVER recommend their subs to an average daily enthusiast due to the fact I can get them into something that will give them what they are looking for with a wayy smaller price tag... I'm NOT bashing JL, but peeps who THINK JL is the BE-ALL END-ALL sub of ALL subs are WRONG!!! Would I ever run JL - YES, I would again and I have in the past, but NOT in a vehicle I expect to be the loudest around just because I spent more.....
2 13s on only 2000 watts doing 50s at 30hz in a pt cruiser.

 
2 13s on only 2000 watts doing 50s at 30hz in a pt cruiser.
& I'd be willing to bet that it also sounded good doing so, however 50s in an open pt (basically a hatch) could be accomplished by spending much less than $1,600 + or - (Depending on where you buy) on JUST 2 subs, (Not 2 mention what you will spend in addition to that to get there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif ) but still that is impressive for a set of 13's on 2k most definitely I'd have to agree, no argument there whatsoever...

All I'm saying is that it's really hard to JUSTIFY spending $7-$900+ on a single sub when there are many many competent and well built subs out there for a lot cheaper... If I was wanting some JLs I would find myself some gently used ones and save myself a whole lot of $$$, but that's just me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 
& I'd be willing to bet that it also sounded good doing so, however 50s in an open pt (basically a hatch) could be accomplished by spending much less than $1,600 + or - (Depending on where you buy) on JUST 2 subs, (Not 2 mention what you will spend in addition to that to get there //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif ) but still that is impressive for a set of 13's on 2k most definitely I'd have to agree, no argument there whatsoever...
All I'm saying is that it's really hard to JUSTIFY spending $7-$900+ on a single sub when there are many many competent and well built subs out there for a lot cheaper... If I was wanting some JLs I would find myself some gently used ones and save myself a whole lot of $$$, but that's just me //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
I agree, JL has nice SQ.. but is far from the best bang for your buck when it comes to SPL.

 
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